SCOTTIE-"INDIE" DEBACLE AFTERMATH

The "Scottish Independence Campaign" scam was just for show.

Now the real fight about sovereignty in Britain should be fought.


And if the stupid, pathetic native Britons just let a pack of Kikes and Freemasons set the debate now, and steamroll over them, yet again, then they deserve their slavery. ~ "May your chains [not] set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." ~

Kike Cameron day after Scot indie debacle

Kike Miliband day after Scot indie debacle

Kike Johnson day after Scot indie debacle

THREE KIKES



Mutiny threat as Miliband fights his own MPs on powers for England: Labour leader sparks backlash by refusing to support plans to limit rights of Scottish MPs

Opposition skewered by PM who hinted at shades of English Parliament
Instead Miliband suggested a lengthy 'constitutional convention' process
But he did not support Tory plans to limit Scots MPs' voting powers
Senior figures including former Home Secretary John Reid slammed move


By Jason Groves, Deputy Political Editor For The Daily Mail

19 September 2014 | Updated: 20 September 2014

Labour leader Ed Miliband faced a mutiny from his own MPs last night after hastily rejecting David Cameron’s scheme to introduce ‘English votes for English laws’.

He sparked a backlash by refusing to support plans to curb the rights of Scottish MPs along with the transfer of new powers north of the border.

Instead he called for an unwieldy ‘constitutional convention’ to consider changes in the wake of the historic independence referendum and which would not report back until the end of next year.

Labour sources said Mr Miliband was ‘wary’ of any plan to limit the right of Scottish MPs to vote on laws at Westminster that only affect England and Wales.

Aides fear it could neuter the ability of a future Labour government to pass laws on issues ranging from health and education to welfare and tax.

Mr Miliband said he would not sign up to anything that could be ‘used for narrow party political advantage’.

However, senior Labour MPs last night warned it was untenable for the party to oppose the move while arguing for Scotland to be given more powers.

Former minister John Denham, a close ally of Mr Miliband, said that while it was right to look at other elements of devolution, it was ‘inevitable’ that there would have to be change at Westminster.

‘As the powers of the Scottish Parliament increase, the role of Scottish MPs in determining English laws will inevitably diminish,’ said the Southampton MP.

‘If the aim is to ensure that laws affecting England alone have the consent of elected English representatives, there are many ways of doing so.’

Former Home Secretary John Reid said the current situation was ‘unfair’, adding that the issue should have been addressed when Labour established the Scottish Parliament in 1999.

He said Labour’s attempt to deal with the problem had been abandoned when voters rejected the dream of former deputy prime minister John Prescott to set up a regional assembly in the north east a decade ago.

Mr Reid said: ‘That anomaly has been left outstanding since then.

‘My own view is that it is unfair that three of the nations can decide on exclusively their own basis on legislation applying only to them but the biggest nation (England) can’t. So it has to be addressed.’

Former Labour minister Frank Field called for ‘home rule’ in England and said his party also had to ditch the controversial Barnett formula – which means public spending is £1,623 per head higher in Scotland than in England.

He said: ‘The promises to Scotland ensure that the English Question will dominate May’s general election.

‘Voters will demand from all English candidates whether they support English home rule and if they support giving an additional £1,600 a year, for ever, for every person living in Scotland, over and above what they will vote for their own constituents.

‘Voters will demand ‘yes’ to the first question, and ‘no’ to the second. These are the answers I shall willingly give.’

Former Labour MP Andrew Mackinlay said: ‘The case for an English Parliament is compelling if not overwhelming. Just tinkering around with a few extra powers, for so-called regional authorities and cities, will simply not do.’

Mr Mackinlay said there were numerous examples of ‘unacceptable’ measures being introduced in England with the support of Scots.

These included a doubling of road tolls on the M25 river crossing at Dartford at the same time as charges were scrapped on the Erskine Bridge on the Clyde.

The M25 toll increase was pushed through by the then Labour transport secretary Douglas Alexander, a Scottish MP.

However, Mr Miliband warned it would be wrong to rush into a new constitutional deal.

The Labour leader said there needed to be a series of regional ‘dialogues’ covering every area of the UK on how power could be dispersed from Westminster – including in England.

A lengthy public consultation was needed because the matter would not be left to the ‘Westminster elite’, he added. Among the issues Mr Miliband said should be considered are the case for a ‘senate of the nations and regions’.

But Conservative Party chairman Grant Shapps accused Mr Miliband of trying to fudge the issue for political advantage.

Ed Miliband backs new devolved powers for ALL UK nations

He said yesterday: ‘We need a new and fair settlement not just for Scotland, but for every part of the United Kingdom. And we want to work on a cross-party basis to make that happen.

‘But Ed Miliband’s proposal would kick this vital issue into the long grass.

‘If he is serious about delivering on our joint commitment to publish draft legislation on devolving more powers to Scotland by January, he must say whether he supports an equal settlement for England – English votes for English laws.’

Mr Miliband was also facing Labour criticism over the party’s lacklustre campaign north of the border, which failed to catch light until former prime minister Gordon Brown appeared to take charge in the final weeks.

More than a third of Labour voters are thought to have backed independence.

One shadow minister said: ‘The brutal truth is that Ed Miliband does not connect with our voters in Scotland. Until Gordon intervened we were losing them.’

The Labour leader has made 14 visits to Scotland since March and has spent the final week of the campaign visiting different parts of the country.

But his personal ratings in Scotland have remained at around the same level as in England, despite very low levels of support for the Conservatives in most of Scotland.

The Labour leader was forced to pull out of two scheduled appearances after he was shouted down during a walkabout in Edinburgh earlier in the week.

Following chaotic scenes as he was mobbed during a visit to a shopping centre in the Scottish capital, he claimed the campaign for independence had an ‘ugly side’.

THE LORD OF DEVOLUTION

The Scottish grandee appointed to oversee devolution is chairman of an energy firm found guilty of ripping off up to one million customers.

Lord Smith of Kelvin joined SSE in 2005 and last year was at the helm when it was hit with a £10.5million fine for mis-selling policies. He has also been forced to defend frequent price hikes and the huge profits made by the company.

His considerable personal wealth has allowed him to buy his own island, Inchmarnock, off the west coast of Scotland and he also owns a vineyard in South Africa.

The 70-year-old married father-of-two grew up in a rough area of Glasgow but was a bursary student at Allan Glen’s School in the city.

A chartered accountant, he has held senior positions with a series of major banks including the Royal Bank of Scotland, and was chosen as chairman of the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow held earlier this year.

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Boris slams 'reckless' election promises to Scotland as Cameron calls for a 'fair settlement' for all UK nations

Prime Minister said 'commitments' made in campaign would be honoured
But Boris Johnson said guarantee to protect extra funding was 'reckless'
Tory MPs are furious over 11th hour promise to protect 'Barnett Formula'
But to soothe tensions the PM pledged 'English votes for English laws'
Pressure now on Labour to declare support for voting ban on Scottish MPs
Party is in turmoil over proposal as party has 41 Scottish MPs in Commons
Labour MPs are split over the issue amid fears it could rob party of majority
Tory backbenchers have called for a separate English parliament

By Tom McTague, Deputy Political Editor for MailOnline

19 September 2014

David Cameron has been put on the back foot after Boris Johnson slammed his 'reckless' election promises to Scotland during the country's failed independence bid.

The London mayor spoke out hours after the Prime Minister skewered Labour leader Ed Miliband with a pledge to introduce 'English votes for English laws'.

He said it was now time to listen to the 'millions of voices of England' by banning Scottish MPs voting on English-only laws.

But he was undermined when the London mayor criticised his 'reckless' promise to protect the subsidy handed to Scotland under the 'Barnett Formula', a vow made by all three main party leaders in the dying days of the referendum campaign.

Mr Johnson said: ‘We can’t just go on with a system that even Joel Barnett himself thinks is outdated.

‘There’s a good way of honouring this odd promise. Ask Lord Barnett who has disassociated himself from this formula to get on with redesigning it.

‘He said, Lord Barnett said himself, it was a crazy and outdated to continue to funnel money in this way.

‘If he thinks so then I’m sure everybody else south of the Border thinks so. It’s my solution for honouring what is a slightly reckless promise.’

However, the Mayor did join Mr Cameron's call for Scottish MPs to be banned from voting on matters applying ‘exclusively’ to England.

Mr Miliband ducked the issue in his first response to the 'No' referendum victory this morning - only declaring that he supported 'devolution' in England.

But Labour MPs are split on the issue, in a stand-off which threatens to derail the Government's timetable for devolving further powers to Scotland - a key promise during the referendum campaign.

Speaking outside Downing Street this morning Mr Cameron said it was 'crucial' to give England the same powers over tax, spending and welfare as Scotland, following his last minute pledge for further devolution to Holyrood during the campaign.

Mr Cameron said: 'I've long believed that a crucial part missing from this national discussion is England.

'We've heard the voice of Scotland, but now the millions of voices of England must also be heard. The question of English votes for English laws, the so-called West Lothian question, requires a decisive answer.

'So just as Scotland will vote separately in the Scottish Parliament on their issues of tax, spending and welfare so too England as well as Wales and Northern Ireland should be able to vote on these issue - and all this must take place in tandem with and at the same pace the settlement for Scotland.'

The Prime Minister said he hoped this would take place on a cross-party basis - with Labour support.

But the party's shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander said Mr Cameron's plan was a 'fairly knee-jerk reaction' driven by politics.

Mr Miliband accepted the country ‘needs to change’ and promised to ‘deliver on stronger powers for a stronger Scottish parliament’.

He added: 'We will also meet the desire for change across England across Wales, across the whole of the United Kingdom. Devolution is not just a good idea for Scotland and Wales it is a good idea for England and indeed for Northern Ireland.'

But in a sign of Labour's concern about the issue, backbench MP Andy McDonald said: 'It's not about the Tories tightening their stranglehold on England, it's about releasing power to all of our regions.'

Mr Cameron was facing immediate pressure this morning over his 'vow' to hand new powers to Scotland in the event of a 'No' vote. Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond said the country 'will expect these to be honoured in rapid form'.

The Prime Minister's promise of more devolution has sparked an angry reaction from Conservative backbenchers who claim it leaves England in an unfair position.

But Mr Salmond warned the Prime Minister, whatever happens, not to go back on his word for Scottish independence.

The Scottish First Minister said: ‘The unionist parties made vows late in the campaign to devolve more powers to Scotland. Scotland will expect these to be honoured in rapid form.

‘We have been promised a second reading of the Scotland bill by the 27th of March next year and not just the 1.6million of Scots who’ve voted for independence will demand that that timetable is followed but all Scots who participated in this referendum will demand that that timetable is followed.’

Reacting to the vote, Nick Clegg this morning insisted Westminster would agree to hand over more powers - but said English concerns needed to be listened to as well.

He said: ‘A vote against independence was clearly not a vote against change and we must now deliver on time and in full the radical package of newly devolved powers to Scotland.

‘At the same time, this referendum north of the border has led to a demand for constitutional reform across the United Kingdom as people south of the border also want more control and freedom in their own hands rather than power being hoarded in Westminster.'

William Hague said English votes for English laws was now a ‘fundamental issue’.

He said: ‘With further devolution to Scotland it becomes inconceivable to continue to allow Scottish members to vote on everything that is happening in England when as you know English members and indeed Scottish members can’t vote on so much of what is happening in Scotland.

‘That is the heart of the issue. But we have in any case under this government been devolving more power to cities for instance.

'There may be many more ideas as to how we can do that but how Westminster operates is now at the heart of the issue.’

But he dismissed the prospect of a separate English parliament. Mr Hague said: ‘I don’t think people in this country will want, and I don’t think our work will lead to more expensive government and politics.’

Mr Hague said if political parties could not reach a consensus on English devolution they would have to ‘stake out their positions’ during the general election campaign.

‘There is a strong view in England, among the people of England, as well the Conservative party and I think many liberal democrats as well,’ he said.

CAMERON, CLEGG AND MILIBAND'S 'VOW' TO GIVE SCOTLAND MORE POWERS

Guarantee One

'New powers for the Scottish Parliament.'


The three Westminster party leaders said Holyrood would be given 'extensive new powers' over tax, spending and welfare.

Gordon Brown promised draft legislation in January 2015 and a Commons vote in March.

Guarantee Two

'To share our resources equitably for defence, welfare, pensions and healthcare.'


The guarantee to keep pensions part of a UK-wide scheme helped persuade elderly Scottish voters to reject independence.

There will now be a battle over the future funding of welfare and pensions and how much control Holyrood should have over each.

Guarantee Three

'The power to spend more on the NHS if that is Scottish people’s will and the continued Barnett allocation.'


Scotland will be given the power to raise its own funds - and the 'final decisions on spending on public services' will be handed to Edinburgh.

The past week has seen a growing clamour about the disparity, as the leaders of the three main Westminster parties have promised Scotland new powers over tax, spending and welfare.

Some backbenchers such as former minister John Redwood have called for a separate English parliament, to balance out the powers afforded to Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Speaking this morning Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin, who has led a campaign for an English parliament, said: ‘I'm mightily relieved but very concerned that this episode has thrown the whole of the UK constitution into a state of flux rather than settled anything.

‘And you can hear Alex Salmond teeing things up for the next row with Westminster because we've really no idea what these promises of extra powers actually are or what is meant by honouring the Barnett Formula and I think all the noises coming out from the briefings of Downing Street are right - we need also to address the answer to the English question, it's no longer the West Lothian question.’

The Harwich and North Essex MP went on: ‘Whatever the promises made are they have to be honoured and we have to respect that a lot of Scottish people voted for separation and that's all got to be addressed.

‘But what is right for Scotland is also right for England and I think the Prime Minister should engage much more with his MPs because in fact his MPs represent a majority of constituencies in England.’

Former Environment Secretary Owen Paterson called for the immediate recall of Parliament to debate the implications of the Scottish referendum result – and slammed Mr Cameron for agreeing to hand over new powers to Scotland without consulting MPs.

He said: 'I welcome the clear referendum result, but the chaotic manner in which the no vote was won has undermined the strong and resilient United Kingdom on which we all depend.

‘It is unacceptable that in the late stages of the campaign an ex Labour leader was allowed to make rash promises of “extensive new powers” to the Scottish people with the endorsement of all three UK party leaders, but with no mandate from Parliament.

‘It is unfair that Scottish politicians will continue to vote on taxes raised from the English, while voting special tax raising powers to Scotland alone.

‘Maintaining the Barnett formula, under which the Scottish receive £1,600 per head more than the English and expecting English taxpayers, who are struggling to make ends meet, to keep footing the bill is unjust.

‘Such a lopsided constitutional settlement cannot last; it is already causing real anger across England. If not resolved fairly for all the constituent parts of the UK for the long term, it will fall apart. The normal autumn routine of party political conferences is not sacrosanct.

‘The Prime Minister’s promise of English votes for English laws is welcome and Parliament should be recalled next week to discuss this and a wider constitutional settlement.’

NO TUITION FEES AND A WAR WITH SYRIA: HOW SCOTTISH MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT SWUNG KEY HOUSE OF COMMONS VOTES

A number of crucial votes have been won and lost in the Commons based on Scottish MPs.

August 29, 2013: A majority of MPs would have voted for miitary action against Syria over its use of chemical weapons

January 29, 2013: David Cameron would have cut the number of MPs to 600, giving him a better shot at winning the next general election

October 31, 2012: MPs would have voted for the Government to seek a real-terms cut in the European Union budget

April 24, 2012: Products containing halal and kosher meat would have had to be labelled

June 11, 2008: Extending the period of police detention from 28 days to 42 days would not have been agreed

March 31, 2004: MPs would have voted against the introduction of £3,000-a-year tuition fees, which do not apply in Scotland

February 4, 2003: MPs would have voted for an 80 per cent elected House of Lords

Conservative MP Sir Gerald Howarth said major constitutional changes should not be ‘rushed’.

He claimed ‘appeasing Scottish Nationalism’ was ‘what brought us to the brink of disaster'.

Nigel Farage said that Scottish MPs should immediately give up their right to debate or vote on devolved English issues at Westminster in the wake of the vote.

The UK Independence Party leader said he will write to the 59 Scottish MPs today to ask them to agree.

He said: 'Short-term that's what we can do. Longer-term, and I think all the constitutional experts talking on your show say, this stuff is complicated, getting this right matters as it will be for many, many decades to come and I really do think now we absolutely need to have a constitutional convention to talk about how we create a fair, federal United Kingdom.

'That process is vital. All I've heard from Mr Cameron is that William Hague will head up some committee to discuss the English question and I simply don't think that's enough.'

JAMES SLACK: Is Cameron serious about providing English votes for English laws or is it just more carefully-crafted spin?

Within minutes of confirmation he had scraped home in the battle to protect the union, David Cameron immediately tried to regain the initiative by promising ‘English votes for English laws'.

But what quickly became clear is that he is a million miles from being able to explain how he would honour his commitment – and that what he may end up proposing is likely to fall well short of the demands of many Tory MPs.

Backbenchers, led by John Redwood, say that, as a quid pro quo for giving the Scots new powers over tax, benefits and finance, Scottish MPs should be stripped of the right to vote on these issues at Westminster, when they relate solely to England.

The Scots would also lose the right to vote on other devolved issues such as the NHS and education.

Under the backbench idea, favoured by some Cabinet members, Westminster would continue to be the home of the UK Government. But it would most likely hold two different sittings.

MPs from across the UK would sit to discuss issues such as defence, foreign policy and immigration.

Separate sessions would then take place, attended solely by English MPs, possibly in the form of a grand committee, to vote on English only matters, like the Heath Service.

The Prime Minister knows this idea will be popular with many of his backbenchers, who have long being angry over the so-called West Lothian question – indeed, without such a pledge, they may not agree to vote for the package of bribes he promised to Scotland in his last-ditch bid to avoid a Yes vote.

In a carefully-crafted soundbite, Mr Cameron said: ‘I've long believed that a crucial part missing from this national discussion is England. We've heard the voice of Scotland, but now the millions of voices of England must also be heard.

'The question of English votes for English laws, the so-called West Lothian question, requires a decisive answer.

'So just as Scotland will vote separately in the Scottish Parliament on their issues of tax, spending and welfare so too England as well as Wales and Northern Ireland should be able to vote on these issue - and all this must take place in tandem with and at the same pace the settlement for Scotland.'

But his statement begs far more questions than it answers and William Hague, speaking after the Prime Minister, ruled out the idea of an English Parliament.

Mr Hague said: ‘I don’t think people in this country will want, and I don’t think our work will lead to more expensive government and politics.’

Instead, Government aides are pointing to two existing reports on constitutional change. One is called the McKay report, and the other was penned by Ken Clarke.

These would mean that when a Bill went through Parliament on the likes of health or education, there would be certain stages at which only English MPs could vote.

Most likely, only English MPs would be able to amend the legislation.

But, crucially, Scottish MPs would still be able to vote on the general principle.

This, to many Tory MPs and supporters, could hardly be said to constitute ‘English votes for English laws’. Doubtless Ukip will have a field day pointing this out.

What is certain is that Labour’s high command hates any suggestion of the idea that Scottish MPs should be stripped of their powers.

Douglas Alexander, himself a Scottish MP, said it was a ‘knee jerk response ... driven more by politics than the needs of the constitution’.

It’s not surprising Labour are opposed, since turkey’s don’t vote for Christmas.

Currently, the party has 40 MPs in Scotland who can be relied on to agree with the party command’s position on the supposed evils of NHS reform, opposition to Michael Gove’s school reforms and the rest.

Strip them out, and the party at Westminster would be weakened considerably.

Indeed, based on current opinion polls, it could spell chaos for Ed Miliband. At present, he is on course to win in 2015 with a majority of around 30 seats.

Take out the Scots and he would no longer command a majority in England on his pet subjects of the NHS and education. He may even struggle to carry finance bills – though it’s far from clear what voting rights Scots MPs would have on this issue. For instance, they may be unable to vote on income tax, which is being devolved to the Scots, but be given a say on everything else.

Some are even questioning whether – if Scots are no longer able to vote on crucial matters relating to England – there could ever again be a Scottish Prime Minister, Chancellor, Health Secretary, Education Secretary or Work and Pensions Secretary.

In recent years, that would have meant no Gordon Brown, no Alistair Darling and no John Reid at Health, for starters.

So what happens next?

Mr Cameron says he wants to drive the changes through before the General Election, which seems an awesome task.

If Labour does oppose the plans, could the PM rely of Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrats to force them through?

Mr Clegg is on the record as saying it is unfair for Scots to continue to vote on English only matters.

But, on the other hand, the Lib Dem betrayal over boundary reform taught Mr Cameron not to trust his deputy as far as he could throw him.

Certainly, Mr Clegg would demand sweeteners of his own, such as extra powers for the English regions and the great cities of the north. This, in turn, would not necessarily be popular with Tory MPs…

In other words, it could turn into a nine-month constitutional car crash which dominates the remainder of the Parliament and has the capacity to turn very ugly indeed.

'THERE CAN BE NO DISPUTES, NO RE-RUNS - WE HAVE HEARD THE SETTLED WILL OF THE SCOTTISH PEOPLE': DAVID CAMERON'S SPEECH IN FULL

'The people of Scotland have spoken. It is a clear result. They have kept our country of four nations together. Like millions of other people, I am delighted.

'As I said during the campaign, it would have broken my heart to see our United Kingdom come to an end.

'And I know that sentiment was shared by people, not just across our country, but also around the world….because of what we’ve achieved together in the past and what we can do together in the future.

'So now it is time for our United Kingdom to come together, and to move forward.
The Prime Minister said the referendum had delivered 'a clear result' which could not be disputed or re-run
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The Prime Minister said the referendum had delivered 'a clear result' which could not be disputed or re-run

'A vital part of that will be a balanced settlement – fair to people in Scotland and importantly to everyone in England, Wales and Northern Ireland as well.

'Let us first remember why we had this debate – and why it was right to do so.

'The Scottish National Party was elected in Scotland in 2011 and promised a referendum on independence.

'We could have blocked that, we could have put it off but just as with other big issues, it was right to take - not duck - the big decision.

'I am a passionate believer in our United Kingdom – I wanted more than anything for our United Kingdom to stay together.

'But I am also a democrat. And it was right that we respected the SNP’s majority in Holyrood and gave the Scottish people their right to have their say.

'Let us also remember why it was right to ask the definitive question, Yes or No.

'Because now the debate has been settled for a generation or as Alex Salmond has said, perhaps for a lifetime.

'So there can be no disputes, no re-runs – we have heard the settled will of the Scottish people.

'Scotland voted for a stronger Scottish Parliament backed by the strength and security of the United Kingdom and I want to congratulate the No campaign for that – for showing people that our nations really are better together.

'I also want to pay tribute to Yes Scotland for a well-fought campaign and to say to all those who did vote for independence: ‘we hear you’.

'We now have a chance – a great opportunity – to change the way the British people are governed, and change it for the better.

'Political leaders on all sides of the debate now bear a heavy responsibility to come together and work constructively to advance the interests of people in Scotland, as well as those in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, for each and every citizen of our United Kingdom.

'To those in Scotland sceptical of the constitutional promises made, let me say this we have delivered on devolution under this Government, and we will do so again in the next Parliament.

'The three pro-union parties have made commitments, clear commitments, on further powers for the Scottish Parliament.

'We will ensure that they are honoured in full.

'And I can announce today that Lord Smith of Kelvin – who so successfully led Glasgow’s Commonwealth Games – has agreed to oversee the process to take forward the devolution commitments with powers over tax, spending and welfare all agreed by November and draft legislation published by January.

'Just as the people of Scotland will have more power over their affairs, so it follows that the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland must have a bigger say over theirs.

'The rights of these voters need to be respected, preserved and enhanced as well.

'It is absolutely right that a new and fair settlement for Scotland should be accompanied by a new and fair settlement that applies to all parts of our United Kingdom.

'In Wales, there are proposals to give the Welsh Government and Assembly more powers.

'And I want Wales to be at the heart of the debate on how to make our United Kingdom work for all our nations.

'In Northern Ireland, we must work to ensure that the devolved institutions function effectively.

'I have long believed that a crucial part missing from this national discussion is England.

'We have heard the voice of Scotland - and now the millions of voices of England must also be heard.

'The question of English votes for English laws – the so-called West Lothian question –requires a decisive answer.

'So, just as Scotland will vote separately in the Scottish Parliament on their issues of tax, spending and welfare so too England, as well as Wales and Northern Ireland, should be able to vote on these issues and all this must take place in tandem with, and at the same pace as, the settlement for Scotland.

'I hope that is going to take place on a cross-party basis…

'I have asked William Hague to draw up these plans.

'We will set up a Cabinet Committee right away and proposals will also be ready to the same timetable

'I hope the Labour Party and other parties will contribute.

'It is also important we have wider civic engagement about to improve governance in our United Kingdom, including how to empower our great cities. And we will say more about this in the coming days.

'This referendum has been hard fought. It has stirred strong passions. It has electrified politics in Scotland, and caught the imagination of people across the whole of our United Kingdom.

'It will be remembered as a powerful demonstration of the strength and vitality of our ancient democracy.

'Record numbers registered to vote and record numbers cast their vote.

'We can all be proud of that.

'It has reminded us how fortunate we are that we are able to settle these vital issues at the ballot box, peacefully and calmly.

'Now we must look forward, and turn this into the moment when everyone – whichever way they voted – comes together to build that better, brighter future for our entire United Kingdom.'

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Bungling trio who almost blew the UK apart: How the No campaign nearly went so horribly wrong

By Andrew Pierce

19 September 2014 | Updated: 20 September 2014

Miliband Cameron Clegg bomb Union

At midnight on Thursday, long before the first result from Scotland came through, David Cameron went to bed in his Downing Street flat for two hours.

When he woke up, he watched the results on the TV with Craig Oliver, his PR adviser, and Ed Llewellyn, his influential chief of staff.

Having been told by a trusted aide that the margin of victory was wider than the exit polls suggested, Cameron — who is partial to a glass of good red wine — resisted the temptation to gloat or celebrate.

For, despite the 10 per cent margin of victory in the referendum, the Prime Minister already knows many Tory MPs will never forgive him for the casual way he almost threw away the greatest union of countries in the Western world.

Those same MPs are also contemptuous of the way the Conservatives’ once-feared political fighting machine was outgunned at every turn by the wily SNP leader Alex Salmond.

One consolation for Cameron now is that Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, is in even deeper trouble with his own party over the shambles of the No campaign — and in particular the ramifications for the 41 Scottish Labour MPs now that some form of English parliament has been mooted.

The mood in the Cameron camp was summed up, in a typically tribal response, by one supporter who said: ‘The immediate crisis is over. Parliament will not have to be recalled. We can now turn the tables on Miliband over English MPs for English legislation. I don’t think there can ever be a Prime Minister or Chancellor, representing a Scottish constituency, in Westminster ever again.

It was the Scottish former prime minister Gordon Brown who helped save the day with a series of barn-storming interventions in which the romanticism and deep historic ties of the Union were invoked — to dramatic and possibly decisive effect.

But how did the No campaign — supported by Cameron, Miliband and Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg — nearly go so horribly wrong?

Ironically, the roots of the country’s flirtation with a terminal break-up were sown back in 1997 by Gordon Brown himself, when the New Labour government agreed to hold a referendum on setting up a Scottish Parliament.

As Prime Minister, Tony Blair was privately opposed, but his hand was forced by Brown and other Scottish ministers, who were determined to honour the wish of John Smith, the previous Labour leader who died in 1994 and who was passionate about a Scottish Parliament.

The first Holyrood Parliament was duly elected in 1999, with Labour in charge, but it was virtually ignored by the Westminster Establishment.

Ambitious Scottish Labour MPs continued to plough their furrow at Westminster, while an array of nonentity second and third-raters took up seats in the Edinburgh assembly.

Only the Labour Party seemed surprised when their hegemony in Scotland came to an end in the 2007 elections, when Alex Salmond’s SNP took control with a minority administration — before routing Labour in the poll four years later.But if Labour is to blame for the SNP’s growing strength north of the border, Mr Cameron must bear huge responsibility for the near-catastrophe of the independence referendum.

It was the Prime Minister — the leader of the party that for many years was known as the Conservative & Unionist Party — who made the biggest mistake.

In October 2012, in signing off the date for the referendum, he astonishingly agreed to the phrasing of Salmond’s heavily loaded question: ‘Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?’

After they signed the deal in Edinburgh, Salmond was grinning from ear to ear, for he would have had far bigger difficulties if Cameron had insisted on asking: ‘Do you want Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom?’


That would have allowed a more positive Union campaign fighting for a Yes rather than a No result.

Equally, the PM could have tabled another option relating to so-called ‘Devo Max’, which would give the Scottish Parliament greater powers over taxation and policy, rather than clear-cut independence.

Ironically enough, in their desperation of the final days, the No campaign effectively offered Devo Max for Scotland as a last-minute bribe anyway.

Other mistakes [REALLY? "MISTAKES"?] included denying expat Scots a say (while Eastern Europeans [AND ANY COMMONWEALTH OR eu CITIZEN OVER AGE 15!] living north of the border could vote).

In another sign that Cameron’s Downing Street political machine is not as well-oiled as it should be, officials actually briefed at the time that Cameron had outwitted Salmond by insisting on the straight Yes or No question, when the reverse was true.

One senior Tory MP said last night: ‘The blunt question on the ballot paper, which was what Salmond always wanted, was the trigger for the negative tone of our campaign. It became not about our historic ties and more about the Scots going it alone.’

In another sign that Cameron was not taking seriously the prospect of defeat in the referendum, he refused to send Lynton Crosby — the Tories’ prized election street fighter, who is running the party’s general election campaign — to oversee the Better Together campaign.

The mistakes consequently came thick and fast. George Osborne, the Chancellor, went to Edinburgh to make a speech in which he pompously insisted that an independent Scotland would not be able to use sterling as its currency.

But Osborne is the last person who should have delivered the message: he’s the embodiment of everything the Scots hate about the Tories.

Public-school educated, he’s never had a real job outside politics, and is the beneficiary of a multi-million-pound family trust.

The Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls, and Danny Alexander, the Lib Dem’s Chief Secretary to the Treasury, echoed Osborne’s sentiments in a carefully agreed strategy with Downing Street.

Salmond merely used their joint intervention to underline his point that an out-of-touch London elite was laying down the law on what Scotland would be allowed to do after it had thrown off its Westminster shackles.

‘Salmond portrayed us as the Scots’ imperial masters,’ says one No campaign source.

There were even disagreements over who should run the Better Together campaign.

One option was the doughty political bruiser John Reid, a former Scottish Secretary.

But instead the owlish Edinburgh lawyer Alistair Darling took centre stage, armed with private polling which showed that the Better Together campaign should concentrate on economic reasons why the Scots should vote No.

He threatened them that they would be worse off in virtually all areas of life.

Bizarrely, the data came not from Scotland but from Cameron’s friend Andrew Cooper, the Tories’ private pollster.

Even after an ICM poll, highlighted in The Spectator magazine, stressed that it was a deep attachment to the UK which should be the campaign priority, Downing Street ploughed blithely on with its bullying economic statistics.

In the first televised debate against Alex Salmond, Darling scored heavily when he repeated the Chancellor’s warning: ‘No ifs, no buts, an independent Scotland would not share the pound with the rest of the UK.’

However, in his disastrous second TV debate outing, he did a complete turnabout and admitted the Scots could use the pound after all. As chaos engulfed the No campaign, Gordon Brown — who was still being overlooked by the Better Together campaign — was quietly and effectively speaking up for the Union, but always on Labour Party platforms.

He regarded the Better Together campaign (he loathes Darling) with deep suspicion, and resented the fact that Downing Street was calling so many shots in a Scottish campaign.

It was only when the Yes team moved ahead in a YouGov poll two weeks ago that Cameron and Miliband relented, and shifted Darling sideways to let Brown take centre stage.

Cameron and Brown even buried their mutual antipathy to talk tactics on the telephone. Miliband’s failure to rein in his own frontbench also provided Salmond another battering ram with which to attack the No campaign.

Andy Burnham, the Shadow Health Secretary who will be a contender in any future leadership contest, disgracefully repeatedly warned that the Tories were intent on privatising the NHS — a consistent Salmond lie.

It fell to Gordon Brown to reveal the great ‘nationalist deception’ on the NHS as he launched into a ferocious riposte that only the Holyrood government had the power to privatise NHS services in Scotland.

Despite all this, the 307-year-old Union has survived.

But the bitter truth of the past few months is that the UK and the British constitution have been dramatically weakened, all because Messrs Cameron, Miliband and Clegg never took Scotland or the referendum seriously.

THE REFERENDUM WINNERS...

Jim Murphy: Blairite Labour MP who was marginalised by pro-Union colleagues, so set off on his own crusade and gave 100 street speeches in 100 days. Great effort. Now a potential rival to Ed Miliband?

Gordon Brown: Finally put the 2010 election defeat behind him and became de facto leader of the No campaign. Some of his jokes were almost older that the Union, but he showed a swirling oratorical intensity. A man reborn.

The Proclaimers and The Corries: The Yes campaign’s two most popular music groups. And boy, didn’t we know it after hearing (endlessly) The Proclaimers’ Cap In Hand and The Corries’ Flower Of Scotland.

Ruth Davidson: Leader of the Scottish Tories, and, it seemed, the only opposition figure with a sense of humour. The lesbian former kick-boxer cemented herself as a real character in Edinburgh politics.

Nick Robinson: The BBC’s political editor, smeared by the Nationalists, kept his calm, refusing to rise to taunts that he was biased against independence.

J.K. Rowling: Put her money where her mouth was, giving a million pounds to the No campaign. On the eve of the vote, issued an appeal for reconciliation. It might take more than a Harry Potter spell to magic that, alas.

Scottish benefit claimants: The Scottish parliament will now take control of benefits under one of the many bribes offered by Cameron & Co. The hated ‘bedroom tax’ will immediately be axed.

World leaders: Who won’t now have Alex Salmond dropping in for a state visit.

Nigel Farage: The UKIP leader will have been delighted by the way raw nationalism ignited so spectacularly, and may well be taking notes from Alex Salmond’s demagoguery.

UK Border Agency: Spared another point of entry into England that it can fail to police properly.

Anyone who placed a bet on a No victory: Such as the anonymous London man who bet £900,000 on a No vote and is due a pay-out of £1,093,333.33. According to bookmakers William Hill, he had been ‘confident, if not entirely convinced' his gamble would pay off.

... AND THOSE WHO LOST OUT

Vladimir Putin: Whose plans in extremis to invade England via Dunbar will have to be revised.

English and Welsh taxpayers: Who will remain £1,600 a year worse off after Dave et al agreed to keep the unfair Barnett formula which apportions money between the nations, as a bribe to Scots.

Douglas Alexander: Supposed genius who is in charge of Labour’s election campaign. Now lots of muttering that he is, in fact, useless. Was parachuted in to give life to Better Together, but was blamed for the idiotic TV advert featuring a woman who said she didn’t have ‘time to think’ about independence. Even a No victory does not excuse his performance.

Estate agents in Cumbria and Northumbria: Who would have sold vast numbers of properties to economic refugees from an independent Scotland.

Multiculturalism: It was depressing that so few black and Asian activists took part in the campaign.

Nicola Sturgeon’s hairdresser: Not since the 118 adverts with Seventies-style joggers have we seen such a strange hairdo as was worn by Alex Salmond’s deputy.

Brussels: Surely it is now impossible for Westminster politicians to deny voters in England, Wales and Northern Ireland a referendum on our membership of the EU.

Listeners to the BBC: Who will continue to hear a proportion of Scottish voices disproportionate to their numbers in the UK population.

English students: Who will continue to pay through the nose to attend Scottish universities. Had England become a separate EU state, tuition would have been free for English students in Scotland.

The British constitution: Which is about to have the proverbial coach and horses driven through it — and former Tory leader William Hague, whose job it is to chair the committee that will drive the coach and horses, presumably chosen because he has no hair to turn white overnight.

Nick Clegg: At least Cameron and Miliband made high-profile interventions. Calamity Clegg was almost invisible, even though the Lib Dems used to be a party of government in the Scottish parliament. Hopeless.

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Steve UK taxpayer, hope not EU much longer, United Kingdom: Cameron, Miliband and Clegg are the most inept trio of party leaders in more than a generation. This is what happens when you get posh boys interfering in grown-up politics. They may have been good at debating current issues at university, but this is the real world, and neither of them has had a job in the real world. Hopefully, we'll get a change of leader at the next election, at least Farage is a grown up.

Captain Mainwaring, Walmington-on-Sea, United Kingdom: What else did the DM expect from the self-serving career politicians of Lib/Lab/Con? It's time you stopped supporting that spineless traitor Cameron and started supported BRITAIN by getting behind UKIP - like the vast majority of your readers.

Magnus Carta, United Dystopia, United Kingdom: It was entertaining to see differing strands of socialism squabble among themselves over the referendum. Labour only opposed independence, not because it had some adverse effect on society, but it would mean less voting power and the 40 Scottish labour MPs would be unlikely to hold sway within a new devolutionary framework.

happy, norfolk: For those few of you who havn't worked it out yet. These three wanted a yes vote, it was only pressure from the public and media that forced them to react in the last two weeks. A Yes vote would have guaranteed the break up of the Union and therefore a painless total transition to the EU. Well done Scotland you saved us from our defeat.

Dave, Oban: Not only did they not take the vote seriously they also totally IGNORE the rest of the electorate and their wishes. LibLabCon have merges into a dictatorship, sharing the spoils of Government between them and betraying their voters. It's time for a DIFFERENT party to have a go. Vote UKIP.

dww25, Norwich: Interesting to hear all these arguments for the "Better Together" lobby. I wonder if the same people will carry that sentiment forward if and when we get our referendum on opting out of Europe? ;-)

Mark Roman, Fuengirola, Spain: The Daily Mail apologised to the Scots for the incompetence of the leaders in Westminster, the same leaders(?) who will be seeking your vote come next MAY. Having declared that the opinion of the DM is that the Three are collectively incompetent will it now cease supporting the Tories, and perhaps support U.K.I.P. which has consistently displayed more TORY VALUES than has the current party members.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2763030/Bungling-trio-blew-UK-apart-How-No-campaign-nearly-went-horribly-wrong-ANDREW-PIERCE.html

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