NON-NEWS ABOUT RUSSIA

Russian warships wait out storm in English Channel

Associated Press, November 28, 2014

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian warships have entered the English Channel to wait out a storm following a week of maneuvers in the North Sea, the latest in a string of Russian military exercises this year.

The Russian defense ministry said in a statement carried by Russian news agencies that a naval destroyer, a landing craft, a rescue tugboat and a tank ship had to anchor in the international waters of the Bay of the Seine, off France, on Friday. The ministry said the ships have been conducting naval exercises in the North Sea since Nov. 20.

Russia has conducted a variety of exercises following the Kremlin's annexation of Crimea and its involvement in eastern Ukraine. A recent think tank report recorded a sharp rise in Russian-NATO military encounters since the annexation, including violations of national airspace and close encounters at sea.

The British defense ministry said all the ships had the right to pass through the Dover Strait under international law and added that they were escorted by a Royal Navy warship.

German Defense Ministry spokesman Lt. Col. Uwe Roth said the Russian movement does not seem to be dramatic and "does not constitute a special situation."

But the spokesman for German Chancellor Angela Merkel expressed concern about a recent wave of Russian military exercises.

"Even if it is taking place in international waters," Christian Wirtz said, the maneuver "isn't necessarily a way of emphasizing de-escalation and the readiness for de-escalation" in eastern Ukraine.

ONLY MORONS DON'T KNOW AM-REN IS KIKE

American Renaissance Synagogue censored all anti-Kike comments from an article trashing Gypsies. All the AmRen kikesite does is bitch, impotently, about Negroes, Gypsies, Arabs -- anyone except Kikes, and anything except Kikery.

The anti-Kike comments were not deleted because they were "offensive" in general. They still have multiple comments there about how Gypsies are negroes, Gypsiies look like aliens, Mexicans are beggars, Blacks are worse than Gypsies, Gypsies are worse than Blacks, Gypsies are thieves, all Gypsies should be rounded up and deported from Europe, and so on.

The AmRen Kikes only delete comments that mention Kikes/"Jews".

Europe’s First Underclass

F. Roger Devlin, American Renaissance, November 28, 2014

The Gypsy problem and its origins.


Today’s immigration disaster in Europe is liable to make us forget that a significant racially alien underclass has already lived on the continent for centuries: the Gypsies, or “Roma.”

[... kikey kvetch ...]

As the Gypsy share of the population grows, Europeans may stop seeing them as objects of charity and consider them dangerous demographic competitors. Certainly none of George Soros’s uplift and integration is doing anything to prevent or delay such a development. Finding a policy that is fair to both the Gypsies and Europeans is not simply a matter of good intentions. An essential precondition is recognition of the natural and persistent differences between the two peoples.

Dr. Devlin is a contributing editor to The Occidental Quarterly and the author of Alexandre Kojève and the Outcome of Modern Thought.

Join the discussion.

We welcome comments that add information or perspective, and we encourage polite debate.

  • "programs sponsored by the UN, George Soros’s Open Society Institute" = KUN & The K. Schwartz/"Soros"
  • If you have K's, you'll end up with Gypsies anyway. Look at London now. Even in Belfast. Cardiff, Glaswee, Manchester... Britzog transports Gyp beggars straight from Dover or Heathrow to various parts of the septic isle.
  • Gypsies make better music than K's too. I mean, come on: a night of Flamenco and Gypsy Swing? or a night of Klezmer? Look at Django and his brothers. They were great as they were, but they needed to have K. Stephane Grapelli in the band in order to get recording and club gigs. So now Django's sublime guitar recordings are marred by K. Grapelli's whiney oy vey shtetl fiddle scrapings. Django recorded great tracks after the Germans drove K. Grapelli over to Britain. (They were in London. Then Rhenhardt and his Gypsy bothers and cousin went back to German-occupied France, and the K Grapelli stayed in England.)
  • I can't stand Gypsies - avoid them almost completely. However, they are at least "honest thieves", so to speak. I mean when they're caught they usually just accept their jail time or whatever. But The K. oy veys like it just got a second circumcision if you catch it.
  • Always thought of gypsies as sort of like penniless Ks, what with their less enterprising scams, their persistent role as outsider, their overall negative impact and image. They really don't like the analogy
  • Under the proper circumstances, and with the requisite will, Gypsies could be contained. But once you let K's infest your nation, its like herpes.
  • AIDS. They destroy your immune system, your ability to defend yourself against other pathogens, effectively swinging the city gate open to invading hordes. There is precedent..
  • Yes, "herpes" was an excessively polite analogy.
  • In defense of Gypsies: They are of course much, much, much less parasitic and nation-destroying than K's. Romania: still Romania. Hungary: still Hungary. Bulgaria: still Bulgaria. But look at England, look at America. K's are cosmically more pestilent than Gypsies.
  • They appear to be quite in-bred. Of course it's only koshah in the K-stream to label "White Trash" as "in-bred".
  • Gipsies don't belong in Europe in the first place, I'm willing to look at the humanitarian side for other non-whites, but they should be sent in India as soon as possible, there is nothing to argue about that. They are extremely dangerous on average, especially for European children, if you think that black people in America are a problem, you never met a gipsy in your life, they are like blacks from ghettos on steroid...
  • "they should be sent in India as soon as possible" -- and K's should stop being K's, but neither of these things is going to happen.
  • They're a form of negro regardless of their specific genetics. You know I thought to myself these real gypsies looked dumber than a sack of dead puppies, and sure enough...
  • 60 average IQ in Romania? Good Lord! No wonder that now-banned Romanian guy, Spartacus, hated them so much. Jeez, eye-tallian guy, look at these specimens... Not...us...
  • Yeah, they are not Europeans, that's for sure.
  • That one holding the kid looks sort of an off-white, you might say. But yeah, they're like nomadic mostly Indian mixed sorta bag-people. They live in squalor by cultural preference and do low level crimes mostly, starting at an early age. But they have been responsible for kidnappings of European babies which they then sell typically.
  • Gypsies are not white.
  • Except for that weird, alien looking baby, they seem slightly microcephalic. It's not just the dark alien look...it's...
  • Congenital stupidity. It's the same facial expressions I've seen in the negro pits of public education. After a while you just recognize it, you know? That hit me before I read the actual IQ figgers.
  • The vast majority of them are fecund idiots, like our Ferguson liquor lifters.
  • They are different folk than us to be sure.
  • What do you think? Maybe 10% capable of living off a reservation? My guess. Idiot reservation. No more than one child per couple, movies on Fridays, booze and cigs and microwavable junk food.
  • Most dead by 50 from stupidity - like now.
  • I wouldn't want to venture a guess as to their average life expectancy or the reasons for it. They do tend to have large broods from what I can tell. But, they're different folk from us so they should be somewhere other than in white lands.
  • One would think that after celebrating diversity with these sterling specimens for the past 1,000 years, Europeans would have learned something. Yet, the leftist half wits that control most European governments fall all over themselves to facilitate the invasion of Europe by millions more third world immigrants
  • They're Arabs that essentially invaded India (what Mestizos are doing to white America now), destroyed it, and are now attempting to do the same to Europe.
  • No. There are of pure Indian stock.
  • The Arab invaders of India enslaved them.
  • They look the same as a typical middle caste Indian, although with some very slight European mingling. This is the same race that our education keeps assuring us is full of mathmatical geniuses that are just naturally smarter than us white people. So we need to import more Indian doctors. Of course the reality is that out of millions or billions of people a handful will have a high I.Q. They import a few of these extreme examples and parade them showing us that these people are superior to whites. It's not much different with East Asians actually, although they are a little higher performing than this. But I begin to suspect that all these videos and lessons about the intellectual supremacy of asians is hog wash.
  • Aryans, the high IQ, light skinned Caucasoids are the pure, original "Indians". Roma are not Indian.
  • I can't understand the unemployment figures. They seem quite adept at home improvement and construction, judging by the photographs.
  • The father could probably pass as white (assuming this isn't a flattering photo), but definitely not the child.
  • Indians come from a mixture of Aryan and a black skinned native race that is similar (although not identical) to Africans. Then you have different castes. The highest caste is nearly pure white. But the average Indian actually has white looking skull/facial features if his skin was lighter. I think its because this is a more dominant trait when you cross whites with blacks the white skull shape is more dominant. In the same way darker skin is dominant. Nonetheless a more accurate term would be mixed race, even though this mix has existed for thousands of years as its own racial group.
  • There are several languages in India but the main Indian language sounds similar to Russian and a person speaking Lithuanian can actually converse with someone speaking Indian language. Their language is Aryan (albeit a corrupted form). This is true of the Roma language as well as the Hindi language or whatever its called in India. I would guess if all the race mixing dreams of our elite come true basically our nations will resemble India one day. A chilling thought.
  • Mike Lane propagandaoftruth • a day ago
  • I'm not sure India would want to take them.
  • India is dangerously not diverse enough, they need the vibrancy that the gipsies would bring them, they can't keep going like this /s
  • That's mainly due to the caste system, which allows them to marry pretty much just their cousin.
  • Actually, marriage inside "gotras" (essentially clans of a caste) are forbidden, as traditionally marriages outside the castes have been. The rules are been relaxed as of late as to inter-caste relations, but gotra relations among the higher castes are still pretty stringent. I assume the lower tribal wards of the state (the hunter-gatherers and hill-people) just bone anything with a hole, though.
  • If it's proven they originate in India, does India have a choice?
  • Otherwise as soon as possible means as soon as India has a government that takes them. Successive governments will be unable to undo the intake.
  • If Europe really wanted to, they could make the Roma stateless, cut them off welfare, and forcibly deport them to India. What's India going to do if they are parachuted out over India, or put on ships and run aground in a port somewhere?
  • But that would require Europeans to have massive cojones, something which Europeans do not have in living memory.
  • I lived in Italy for 5 years and while we agree 100% that gypsies don't belong in Europe they aren't as bad as American blacks, yet. I think a large part of that is do to the fact that the Italian police and carabinieri don't cuddle them like blacks are cuddled by our police. It was obvious to me that like the Albanians and Moroccans the Italians and their law enforcement really didn't like them at all. Needless to say during my stay there my wife at the time had her purse stolen by them once. Not sure how they are treated in other European countries though.
  • We in Virginia don't believe that 85 IQ hoo-hah. Having had to live with them for a couple of centuries, we know some grade inflation is involved. Their IQ is in the 60s. Gippos ought to be sent to Africa where their lifestyle is tolerated, nay, celebrated.
  • Yes, heard there's a lot of them in West Virginia..
  • Not many is too many. WV is mostly Scots and Bavarians.
  • Gypsies have always been a plague to Europe, and most Europeans know that. France has always been the strictest of Western Europeans in dealing with them. Not without criticism of course.
  • Last year, Daddy Le Pen was sued for making a joke about them being "natural thieves".
  • What's the problem? Did he minimize the level of personal investment they put into becoming thieves? Saying they were simply born into that undermines the effort they purportedly put into their thieving skills -- which they take great pride of.
  • In the one year I lived in Europe, I had my wallet stolen by gypsies twice. Of the ten people I was there with (in Spain for most of the time), six of us had at least one item stolen by gypsies. And all of us took real precautions to guard our belongings.
  • Gypsies are an absolute plague on society--there is no other group in the world with such little regard for laws, authority, or just basic human dignity. Anyone who thinks otherwise (generally Americans and Canadians) has spent no time around them.
  • 100% correct. They are utterly incorrigible and have no place in western society.
  • I think they might be the most evil group in the world. But what about Muslims? The two groups are competing for first place.
  • One must ask, why did they leave India? Maybe they were forced out!
  • Slaves and/or musicians/entertainers/strippers/whatever attached to Muz invaders. Then went with Muz to the Levant and Turk-occupied Anatolia, then NW into Europe
  • I have never known gypsies. Over the years I have learned not to dismiss hostile attitudes towards of groups of people with whom I have not had personal experiences. Nevertheless, what I have read about gypsies leads me to suspect that they are less prone to violent crime than blacks. Unlike Muslims they are not noted for terrorism at all.
  • Their criminality is not violent and is mostly limited to petty theft. Actually, I've never heard of a Gypsy arrested for anything other than petty theft. Even in violent altercations, they don't seem to have the black or Muslim potential for, respectively, viciousness or fanaticism. They're more the sneaky kind of lowlives (stealing, fortune-telling, sneaking in abandoned areas and settling there, etc). But they still commit crime disproportionately, and are a burden on European societies as they can't seem to attain self-sufficiency.
  • And then there's the begging, the infernal, eternal begging. I've never been a victim of theft by them, but the begging was enough to put me off them.
  • When I give a white pan handler a dollar he thanks me. Most black pan handlers tell me a dollar is not enough.
  • It's not enough for a half pint.
  • I've experienced that, too. I've been cursed at for not offering enough to a black beggar.
  • Let them curse. Just ignore them, mind your own business and refuse to even acknowlege them... it always works for me.
  • Have you ever seen an Asian panhandler? I have never seen one. Neither a Hispanic one except a 3rd generation who doesn't speak Spanish which means not a Latino anymore. The only panhandlers are Black and White.
  • Before I woke up, some years back, I was in Seattle and an Asian man (fully Americanized accent, clearly born here) asked me for money for drugs. He asked in a way that was calculated to amuse and highlight the absurdity, and seemed to be sort of a "meta" joke about "let me be the one honest beggar and see if that works." I found it amusing and was still a libtard so I gave him a couple of dollars. He did a couple of little "worship" bows and said "praise the generous, mighty white man" or something like that. My appearance is such that I likely come across as a sort of personification of ultimate whiteness, or at least a certain strain of it. I think that's part of why he reacted that way. I was dressed in a very white way, had my very white girlfriend with me, and I was also born and raised and spent the vast majority of my life in a very, very white area of this country. I think people pick up on that, just like they'd pick up on you coming from another country. I definitely didn't strike him as a Seattle native, I would imagine.
  • I've seen plenty of puerto rican panhandlers.
  • Mexico is loaded with beggars, though.
  • ....or panhandlers could be completely ignored. Not worth the risk of having your wallet snatched.
  • [Kike "JohnEngelman":] A black pan handler did snatch my wallet, as I was about to give him five dollars. I sprayed him with pepper spray, and took my wallet back. No five dollars for him.
  • K's say 6 billion is not enough.
  • Careful John, I hear blacks have come to consider pepper spray as form of foreplay.
  • Yes. I wouldn't compare them to Muslims when it comes to general vileness.
  • Blacks make gypsies look like angels. Or am I missing thousands of stories of gypsy gang rapes and murders? Not to mention strange voodoo rituals involving cannibalism, religions based on human sacrifice, etc.
  • 10000 times yes. I live in a gypsy area. While you do hear stories of gypsies committing violent crime, it's nowhere near the level of what other browns do in the West.
  • You're either trolling or you genuinely don't live around blacks.
  • Europeans and other had a naive view of US blacks. Blacks in the movies are always portrayed as peaceful, intelligent, and kind. The whites are portrayed as evil, racist and violent. People believe that the movies are real. I still see that naivety today in Europe and the UK, even though they are experiencing the horrors of diversity, first hand.
  • A two-pronged proposal by Israel's Minister of Foreign Affairs for addressing the incompatibility of Arabs and Israelis living together in Israel may provide a template for addressing the incompatibility of Roma and Europeans in European nation-states: "In a manifesto of his Yisrael Beitenu party published Friday, Avigdor Lieberman says he favors ceding Arab majority areas in northern Israel to a future Palestinian state and providing economic incentives for Arab-Israelis — about 20 percent of Israel's population — to encourage them to emigrate."
  • I once met a Hungarian who absolutely loathed them and their welfare dependency, said they were taking over with their breeding, etc. That being said, Gypsies do make some good music (The Gypsy Kings) and can wear beautiful clothing. I have seen them begging in Europe and selling roses and some here in NYC setting up fortune teller shops and going out on the street asking passersby to read your fortune.
  • While most gypsies are Brown, I have seen some white appearing ones, even ones with blond hair and blue eyes.
  • "I have seen some white appearing ones, even ones with blond hair and blue eyes." -- They arrested a gypsy woman in Greece in a similar situation, once they found out it was not her biological child (she kidnapped him).
  • "That being said, Gypsies do make some good music (The Gypsy Kings) and can wear beautiful clothing..." -- I heard April Wine's "Sign of the Gypsy Queen" on SiriusXM yesterday...
  • Europe is more screwed then we are. Gypsies and Muslims and negroes..! A triple curse.
  • Those nations ruled by European DNA must start embracing the concept of deportation regardless of origin of birth. A society has a right to expel a blight on its nation.
  • Yes, at the end of the day, a nation is an extended family. The Japanese know this; Europeans have apparently forgotten it.
  • I doubt they ever knew it. They have spent most of their history killing each other.
  • [Kike "JohnEngelman":] Civilization breeds people for intelligence. In urban civilizations men with the intelligence to become merchants, scribes, government officials, money lenders, artists, writers, and so on have usually been more prosperous than laborers. They have usually been more prolific.
  • Only a k*** parasite, like you, would include usurers as an example of a "civilized" profession.
  • The lower average IQ's of blacks can be explained by their comparatively recent exposure to civilization. Large numbers of them only began living in cities during the twentieth century. Urban neighborhoods of blacks are not known for civilized behavior. They are aptly referred to as "asphalt jungles."
  • India, which is the origin of the gypsies, has a tradition of civilization at least four thousand years old. The social dysfunction of gypsies requires an evolutionary explanation that is unclear to me.
  • Regarding an evolutionary explanation for the social dysfunction of Gypsies, at least some historians believe that they were never a true part of Indian civilization, living only on the periphery of it as outcasts. Thus, the eugenic evolutionary pressure on intelligence exerted by civilization may never have improved their IQ and prepared them for the rigors of civilized life. In addition, their genetic composition was "diversified" as they picked up and mated with other uncivilized people as they migrated west, thus, perhaps, cementing their lower IQ. This my best guess!
  • They were probably vagabonds there, too. Only the Indians, Persians, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, etc. wouldn't put up with them. The Europeans did, as we White people are always cursed with kindness. The rest is history.
  • They were probably out-caste populations. Lower-ranking groups in India have Australoid blood, and I've noticed Australoid-looking hair (and some facial features) among European gypsies.
  • The term Sinti is believed here to describe a gypsy tribe. The gypsies consist out of Sinti and Roma. The Sinti are those who made it to Western Europe early. Just like the Jews are divided into Sephardim and Ashkenazim.
  • The term Sinti was first written down in 1471 in Hildesheim near Hannover, Germany.
  • An anti-gypsy campaign slogan here was: "Geld für die Oma statt für Sinti und Roma." -- Money (benefits, pension) for grandma instead of Sinti and Roma.
  • Sante turns up as a female gypsy name, such as the notorious Sante Kimes.
  • Gypsy phenotypes are easier to race mix out of existence than are Negro phenotypes. I know a Bulgarian woman who is 25 percent Gypsy, but she looks Whitish. Not Nordic White, but looks White enough to pass for a Mediterranean.
  • I've met 1/4th Blacks, Quadroons, that look whitish enough to pass for a mediteranean white.
  • Maybe the Nazis did kill 300,000 to 600,000 of them, I'm hardly an expert on the gypsy plight but I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if they did.
  • My American comrades have not the slightest idea how miserable and pathetic this group is. They sit on the ground around my neighbourhood (a built up urban area) begging for money and robbing old women when they can. They were driven out in mass by some 150 in south Belfast when I lived in the same street. It made world headlines but what it didn't tell you was the rampant criminality of these people.
  • Some of us know. Not because of firsthand experience but due to seeking out sources of info outside of the so called "mainstream" media in this country. That doesn't make up for having to deal with them firsthand, but when I read stories of travelers being driven out of communities, painted to show them in a sympathetic light, I know better.
  • This article could have appeared in the mainstream media. There's no 'hate' or 'ignorance' in the article at all until the very end. It was a pleasure to read it here on AmRen.
  • I saw an interview in Kent on the BNP website. A very nice elderly English lady was being endlessly harrassed by her new gypsie neighbors. Teenage boys were bullying an old lady, how courageous. The metro police would do nothing to help the white lady. They told her, "this is part of their culture, you will have to get used to it". One white policeman had sympathy and told the "youths" to leave her alone or else. The "youths" did what he said but reported him to his superiors. The kind, responsible policeman was promptly removed from his duties, and the harrassment of the old lady continued. Your government (and ours) is disgusting. There are some exceptions to that rule, but the scum of the earth prevails. They care nothing about what the majority wants. They continue to quietly push genocidal policies on us without our consent. I don't read the BBC and similar anymore. Most of my UK news comes from the BNP. That is the only reality I know of.
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  • I think it's the comments sections that did it for me. My comments, even mild ones will not be posted on liberal British media. Liberals can make any disgusting comment they wish...no dissent is allowed. That is part of the blind rage that follows when i read the various articles. I only stick with friendly, realistic sites. I love the BNP; I can't understand why they didn't win recent elections. They still do a good job spreading awareness. Furthermore, their website is has many more visitors than the Labour party.
  • To be honest. . when comments are deleted they are likely sometimes doing us a favor. No one likes to be silenced. I don't either. It's unAmerican. On a page I'm on on Youtube, no one states their true opinion. Everyone is writing facetiously in the voice of their presumed adversaries. It's insane. Like everything else, I'm going to blame this on leftists. Must. . . control. . . all. . . thoughts. . . all venues. . . .
  • "They sit on the ground around my neighbourhood (a built up urban area) begging for money and robbing old women when they can." -- Your muslims are a much bigger problem, as they tend to be as horrid as blacks and Hispanics over here.
  • Gypsies: The original "White N-Words"! Seriously, just another example of how you cannot treat all people from all races and cultures, the same. It takes a lot to make an advanced culture. This includes hundreds of generations of breeding. Obviously, the Gypsies are just bred to be nomadic parasites.
  • They are a lot like our blacks. But, there are three major differences that make our blacks more dangerous: American blacks are far more violent than Gypsies; second, American blacks insist on integrating into white culture-they are not content to be outsiders; and finally, our culture insists that blacks should be treated preferentially to Whites. All in all, I would take Europe's Gypsies if they would take our blacks.
  • Very interesting article, but I do not think gypsies suffer from obesity because they eat a great deal of fat. They more likely suffer from obesity because they eat a combination of fat and a lot of carbs. If they were eating mainly fat, they would more likely be thinner and healthier (like the Masai warriors, who eat mainly fat, blood, and protein, and no vegetables).
  • During the last few years there has been an enormous influx of gypsy beggars to Sweden. Regardless where you go, there is always a pair of gypsies outside every store, begging for money; and of course my naïve countrymen give them ample alms, even tough most would never give anything to the few Swedish bums that still remain. The best thing would be to put the gypsies on some kind of reservation, or simply give them their own Israel, somewhere. Preferably far, far away.
  • I hear Hades is lovely this time of year.
  • Fine article. Sad that Gypsies would not do well on their own, but that problem is one that ethnically cohesive Europeans will need to peacefully shed themselves of when they become mature enough to stop their addiction to endlessly agonizing over the countless flattering responsibilities of White Man's Burden.
  • Comparing Europe's Gypsy population to the massive incessant wave of Afro Asian immigration into Europe is an interesting execise.
  • The article states that there are around 10 million Gypsies in Europe. Now consider this, the original nucleus population of Gypsies who first entered Europe some 700 years ago must have been small. It cannot have numbered more than a few thousand at most. What's more, there was likely only one wave of Gypsy immigration that lasted for a specified and short time period. Now, black/brown immigration into Europe occurs on a truly mammoth scale. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions immigrate every single year, year in year out. There is absolutely no chance of the flow ever attenuating let alone ceasing, so we can confidently state it will last forever, and will accelerate to even greater numbers, genuinely there is no limit. The political class INSISTS that this should be the case. No dissent from this positon is tolerated. As an aside, expect state sponsored assasinations of anti-immigration activists in the near future. If thre historic case of the Gypsies provides any guide, then most likely indigenous Whites will effectively vanish from Europe in a century or two's time hence.
  • There is no such thing as race. This is why all those who can prove their gypsy ancestry should be given a million dollars due to historical oppression. The gypsies were all kings and queens in their homeland and all their poverty is caused by white people. But to deport them back home is a terribly racist and horrible thing to do, because it would harm them not to live among whites, as an integrated community. Now we must take efforts to ensure the genetic purity of gypsies by upholding their ancient tradition of refusing to marry outside the cultural group. If a white person refuses to marry a gypsy though this is extreme racism and he/she should go to jail for being a Nazi. War is peace. Slavery is freedom. Thank you for listening to this message from the department of EU propaganda.
  • What chance does white Europe have if its women are having 1.4 children apiece? No chance. Gypsies would be no more than a nuisance if white civilization was halfway healthy.
  • "Gypsies would be no more than a nuisance if white civilization was halfway healthy" -- I disagree. It's just such an attitude from both the left and the right that has every white nation on this earth in danger of no longer being white. The obvious solution for whites is for white men to breed with them, in the old-style man to woman, marriage type, relationship. Barring that the solution would be to remove them from Europe or give them their own territory inside it. If there is a sickness, it is that (apparently) not a single red-blooded male AmRener has consider this? How deep is your commitment to our race, really? Mustn't startle the white woman in any way, even in a potential way, lest things go even harder on you? Yes, a 1.4 fertility rate would eventually become a problem (outside of possibly an economic one) but it's not now. Europe is severely overcrowded. The problem is the failure of integration it is not the different populations inhabiting the same territory. For all we know it'e presence of non-whites themselves that is causing the White birth rate to be so low. Again, that's a good thing, for now, the problem is them.
  • The Gypsies should accept the fact they are not welcome into Europe and go back to Asia.
  • Gypsies are not the only problem, it is the Negros and Muslims there, are a bigger problem that the gypsies.
  • I hope this doesn't get to the Obama camp. Those commies would love to import a few million of these critters.
  • At the top of this kikesite they have a quote: "There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the whole world." (Thomas Jefferson) In fact, they fear people knowing the facts about kike control of ZOG USA, and about kike subversion in general.

STREWTH, MATE, ISS THA FLOYIN' DOKTAH!


The Flying Doctor

By Robert Calvert & Dave Brock (1978)

He sneaks through the door of the surgery,
He's got the drug cabinet key.
He did something funny, and he tied up his arm.
It's just the Flying Doctor, no cause for alarm!

He sprinkled out a powder, and spread out a line,
He sniffed it up his nostril, and was feeling so fine.
Feeling so fine - feels like he's flyin'.
Feeling so fine - feels like he's flyin'.

His receptionist saw him, it certainly shocked her/
She said, "Look out! You'd better duck!
Here comes the Flying Doctor!"

Out in the outback, there's been an outbreak.
And the Flying Doctor's got nothing to take.
He went to the cab'net and the cab'net was bare.
His eyes dilated, you could see by his stare.

Called up his base on the radio,
He said; "My supplies are running low.
They're running low, you can see where they go.
They're running low, I see where they go.

Out in the outback with my Percival Proctor.
Look out! You'd better duck!
Here comes the Flying Doctor!

He's got the cabinet key, the cabinet key....

"This is the Flying Doctor calling Wallarolla base.
Wallorola base, come in please.
I want to talk to you about my drug situation.
My drug situation is rather tight."

Cabinet key, cabinet key...

A Sheila in the bush, by a Koolahbar tree,
Needed an urgent appendectomy.
The Flying Doctor. like a true Australian,
Performed the operation with a sardine can.

He made a rough incision and tried to chew it out,
He had no anaesthetic, so she started to shout,
She started to shout, when he was chewing it out,
She started to shout, he tried to chew it right out.

He balled up his fist and scientifically socked her.
Look out! You'd better duck!
Here comes the Flying Doctor!

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KIKE MIKE MOREKIKE

Reading a passage from an interview with Kike Michael Moorcock, I was struck YET AGAIN how utterly kike "our" Anglo-Euro-American-"Western" culture is.

Countering the idea that so-called "anti-Semitism" is caused by ignorance and prejudice, is the idea that "familiarity breeds contempt."

At a very young age I read many novels and stories by Kike Michael Moorcock, and his colleagues, friends and collaborators (Kike Norman Spinrad, Kike Harlan Ellison, et kikera), and by every one of the Kikes he mentions in this interview. I read them first of all because I was told and I read that they were great writers, at the "cutting edge" of contemporary fiction, and then because I found the themes interesting.

Even at an early age I could tell that for some reasons these writers were outside my world, the world of my people, my nation, my ancestors. I was not attracted to their world. I did not want to be part of their world. I did not admire their otherness. I simply found it interesting, and wondered, "What's going here?"

It wasn't until much later that I found out they were all Kikes. Even then I didn't quite find that a disturbing or strange discovery, just something noteworthy, considering what a small percentage of the population they are. It wasn't until much later that I realized they were promoted by Kikes in the media and press and schools, precisely because they are Kikes.

I also read all sorts of SF, Fantasy, mainstream fiction that I'd later find out was all kike. Philip Roth, Bernard Malamud, Vasily Grossman, Isaac Beshavis Singer, Joseph Roth, Isaac Asimov, Avram Davidson, Fritz Lieber, Robert Silverberg, Horace L. Gold, Robert Sheckley, A.E. Van Vogt, Herman Wouk, Roger Zelazny, Marion Zimmer Bradley (an especially filthy kike-bitch, a dyke who married a sodomite, who was arrested for raping little boys, and then their daughter wrote about how she had been raped by her queer parents; they also set up their own religious cult; she was for decades widely admired and praised by fembots), David Mamet, Tom Stoppard, Irwin Shaw, Norman Mailer, Clifford Odets, Paddy Chayefsky, Erica Jong, Fran Lebowitz, Delmore Schwarz, Ayn Rand, J.D. Salinger, Sholom Aleichem, Saul Bellow, Ira Levin, Arthur Miller, Rod Serling, E.L. Doctorow, Sidney Sheldon, Neil Simon, Gertrude Stein, Alfred Uhry, Joseph Heller, Jerzy Kosinski, and on and on and on.

That was what was in bookstores and libraries, and those were the writers that were praised and interviewed and reviewed in the papers and magazines.

They always seemed to be incredibly over-rated, and somehow ended up winning all the prestigious awards in their fields, and ended up as the presidents of their various professional organisations. If only all their books had come with a "KIKE ALERT!" sticker on them, then I would have seen right away what was going on, and would have saved a LOT of my precious time.

Here's a funny excerpt from the promotional spiel for Wandering Stars: An Anthology of Jewish Fantasy and Science Fiction (ed. Kike Jack Dann, Harper & Row, 1974):

"...the first time in science fiction that the Jew - and the richness of his themes and particular points of view -- will appear without a mask." (book cover)

"Many of the Jewish pulp writers, however, used pen names as a matter of sound business. A story entitled 'War Gods of the Oyster-Men of Deneb' didn't carry conviction if it was written by someone named Chaim Itzkowitz." (Introduction, "Why Me?", by Kike Isaac Asimov.)



I also read and watched and listened to almost everything that was then "underground"/"alt", and is now virtually mainstream: William S. Burroughs (every book, screenplay, "essay" (drug-induced ramblings), etc), Kike Lou Reed, Kike Allen Ginsburg, et kikera, back before they were getting grants, and became the subjects of glowing retrospectives and tributes (and obituaries).

I always found these kike "artists" and their fellow travellers either vaguely or blatantly distasteful. I appreciated anything they did that was inventive artistic or skillful; but always looked at them objectively, the way one might watch a pimp or rent-boy or crack dealer on the street, the first time you visit some scummy urban centre, wondering what is going through those people's heads and how they ended up so depraved, but certainly not wanting to join them.

Unfortunately, many, many people are drawn to kikery, just as many are drawn to perversion, prostitutes, drugs, child-molestation, and so on. The two groups often over-lap, but those drawn to kike "art" are, I suspect, often people who wish they could satisfy their base instincts but fear getting caught, jailed and shunned, and so live vicariously, through their kike "muses". Even many Kikes who make a living from writing about depravity, actually come from money and end up rich, living in the White enclaves they express contempt for. (This is even more true of all the kike agents, promoters, publishers, editors, producers, and so on.) Few of them actually openly live the sordid lives they promote, and even then, if they are caught out, or find they've gone too far, they rarely get in serious trouble (Kike Roman Liebling/Polanski, Kike Allen Konigsberg / Woody Allen, Kike Jack Lang, Kike Allen "NAMBLA" Ginsburg, et kikera).

Why was I never drawn into kikery, though I did find kike writings interesting at times, and sometimes admired their skills? Because at the same time I read even more, and superior, non-kike literature -- Marlowe (everything by him), Shakespeare (everything), Ezra Pound, Dostoevsky (everything), Sophocles, Tacitus, Ovid, Tolstoy, Gogol (everything), Homer, Checkov, Dante Alighieri, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Turgenev, Louis-Ferdinand Céline, Murasaki, Stendahl, Rabelais, Aristophanes, Baudelaire, Flaubert, Verlaine, Mishima, Joyce (everything), Wilkie Collins, François Villon, Trollope, Dickens, Laurence Stern, the Brontes, Jane Austen (everything), Thomas Hardy, Cervantes, Robert E, Howard, Apollinaire, Jarry, Moliere, Rimbaud (everything), Edgar Allen Poe (everything), and so on. How could some filthy Kike scribbling about how he jerks off to pics of "shiksahs" compare? (Philip Roth's Portnoy's Complaint.)

It's sad to think of all the people who grew up and are growing up now, influenced by kike art, either directly produced by Kikes, or second-hand kikery, from artists who had mostly kike models.

Anyway, here is the passage that got me thinking about these things:

Kike Michael Moorcock:

"When I read my first real sf book (Tiger, Tiger/Stars My Destination by [KIKE Alfred] Bester) I saw that it was possible to write imaginative contemporary fiction which also incorporates ideas and ideals. For me that book was the great American [KIKE] novel. I read it in Paris, where I found it, and it has the best kind of American [KIKE] idealism—with that marvelous populist ending. Trust the people [guided by THE KIKE]. It was the book which made me decide not to give up on contemporary science fiction.

"But most of the best [he means KIKE] U.S. science fiction in those days very much addressed social issues and often brilliantly. [KIKE] Pohl and [KIKE] Kornbluth are the two most prominent. This was when American [KIKE] socialism was still alive, if not well, under Joe McCarthy. What rock-and-roll and science fiction offered the English reader was a voice from the real America, from the working class and [KIKE] politically engaged America we could see was already being buried. We responded to black blues and white [KIKE] social protest songs because we were desperate to hear the voices of the real Americans, not the horror of populist fascism, which seemed to have been brought home on the boots of returning soldiers. . . SF and rock and roll meant a lot to us—not just as entertainment, either. It brought Americans in contact with Europeans—jazz was doing that, too--and producing the cultural template which would result in an explosion of talent on both sides of the Atlantic through the sixties. I've said this before—but Joe McCarthy, by sending the likes of [KIKE] Kubrick and [KIKE] Ramblin' Jack Elliott to England, did the world of the [KIKE] arts a power of good."



Kike Mike Moorcock:

I really did have a very egalitarian upbringing. Maybe it’s to do with the way my family was. My grandmother was an incredible fierce egalitarian. She just hated prejudice. Where she got it from I don’t know – except that she was Jewish. My family disguised its Jewish ancestry. There are still members of my family who’ll say I’m not telling the truth.

Hari Kunzru: When did they come over? Presumably it wasn’t a second world war thing

MM: And it wasn’t even the big migration of the nineteen-hundreds. It’s the sort of Sephardic element, the southern European element. You’re always told that’s the better element.

HK: Disraeli?

MM: That’s right. In fact Disraeli was my legendary ancestor. We’ll never know whether that’s true or not because officially Disraeli never had any children

HK: A symbolic ancestor

MM: My uncle would actually take me – there used to be a big portrait of Disraeli on the stairs at Downing street. And he’d take me and stand me in front of it and say ‘one day you could be’ - which was good. It does give you a focus. It helps you see – I think all these ancestral things, whether you make them up or not, I don’t think it matters whether you make them up – it gives you a line in which to see yourself. I’m trying to work that out at the moment – well, not at the moment, I’m trying to finish a Doctor Who novel at the moment – about how important ancestry is.

[...]

A lot of people I know, almost all of my friends come from some sort of alienated position. I’m not dramatizing it. A lot of my readers do. It’s astonishing. They did a survey years ago, of science fiction readers - a fanzine survey – and they found an astonishing number of them came from broken homes. Also a very high percentage of them were Jewish, as the American science fiction writers tended to be.

[...]

HK: You’re credited as the person who made it [SF] all literary.

MM: Yes, but I made it literary by giving them all their heads, by stopping them becoming science fiction or fantasy writers. What happened in the thirties was a bunch of writers, [KIKE] Robert Bloch, who did Psycho, [KIKE] Fritz Leiber, [KIKE] Henry Kuttner and one or two others, who were all writing these essentially absurdist stories. They had no rationale. They were essentially absurdist. I’ve seen one or two of them and they’re not bad at all. But there was nowhere they could place them, let alone sell them.

HK: Because people just wanted genre?

MM: Yes, but not just that. The whole mood was against what they were doing.

HK: Social realism?

MM: Particularly in America. They gradually found that if they rationalized this stuff and put in a bit of ‘on Mars’ and ‘the rocket’ or whatever, they could sell it to Weird Tales, so that was what they started doing.

[...]

MM: My boss was a raging fascist, a member of Moseley’s fascists, but you couldn’t help liking him. It was one of those things.

I was a member of the West London antifascist youth committee in the fifties and there was a Jewish guy who used to go round beating up fascists. Monty something. [Monty Goldman?]

We infiltrated Colin Jordan’s British National Party.

We’d go along and have tea with Mrs. Leese [Arnold Leese’s widow, at 74 Princedale St Holland Park]. You can find Leese’s work on the internet. It’ll turn your stomach. He’s the one who called Moseley a ‘kosher fascist’. Too far to the left! And so we’d go and have Mrs. Leese, because he was dead by then. She was this little white-haired old lady, get the tea cups out, 'how many sugars dear?' It was a bit like the Man Who Was Thursday. There were three of us who’d go and have tea and we were all infiltrators. Not one of us was an actual follower. She’d pour out the tea and say ‘you know the Jews did so and so’.

[...]

MM: I did one Sexton Blake which was, as it were, came from the left wing, it was about Castro’s Cuba, but with a different name, and a different dictator’s name. Not only did he [Morekike's editor at Fleetway] not pay me the full price for it, because he said it wasn’t quite up to scratch, which was a common trick, but then he did rewrite it by changing all the left wing stuff to right wing stuff. So it came out as an anti-Castro story.

HK: Were you still involved with political stuff during the sixties and seventies?

MM: Yeah. By that time – I’d been interested in anarchism as a kid, but I’d got a bit bored of the anarchists because they were all about five hundred years old and still fighting the Spanish civil war in the Malatesta club in Red Lion square. You’d go along to a couple of them – looking back, they had a lot of interesting stuff to say, but it wasn’t very immediate. I obviously wanted something a bit more – something to – oh anyway.

HK: There was a big anarchist and Situationist thing in Notting Hill. I’ve written about King Mob, the Wise brothers. Since you were running around in the underground there, were you in contact with – not just them, but any of the various groups?

MM: Oh yeah. The White Panthers, who were – I’ve nothing against The White Panthers [Whites dedicated to promoting Black Supremacy], but it was funny to see The Black Panthers turn into The White Panthers [Mick Farren founded the UK branch of John Sinclair’s White Panther Party]. They slavishly followed – they didn’t really have the style of The Black Panthers - they couldn’t be photographed in cool shades with good guns. They had water pistols. So they didn’t quite make it. I was sort of involved. To some extent, I was more conservative in some ways than quite a lot of the other people. I was probably two or three years older than other people. It made a difference. Maybe it wasn’t that. I wanted to see my energy used practically. Realistically too. There’s no point sitting around discussing, saying ‘oh the fucking state’ and all that, you’ve actually got to find ways of confronting it. You need a dialectic. All that stuff. I was attracted to Kropotkinist anarchism, because it was pacifist, which to a degree I was. I’m not a pacifist in that – I’m very confrontational in a lot of ways. I stop short of killing the person, though around here [in Texas] sometimes you wouldn’t mind it. The odd shot.

[...]

HK: Jerry Cornelius [one of Morekike's JC, Jesus Christ, characters] is such a Carnaby Street dandy, such an elitist figure, a super hippy, driving around in his fancy cars with his designer clothes

MM: But he does turn out to be a little working class lad in a Notting Hill basement. I actually hadn’t meant him to be like that – that’s to say I hadn’t meant him to become an icon of cool. I had to start changing him increasingly to bring him down into the real world. I hadn’t meant him to be quite that cool. I’d meant him to be slightly more ridiculous.

HK: Is that why he ends up as a gibbering wreck for a whole book

MM: I had to! I had to deconstruct the whole thing as I wrote it. Bob Calvert, the other Hawkwind front man would turn up dressed as Jerry, saying ‘what do you think?’

[...]

MM: I came from a culture where religion was considered rather old fashioned – you kind of thought it was something you didn’t need to think about. In my day, I think I hardly knew a person who was religious. If they were they kept very quiet about it, and you respected it, you didn’t attack them for it, and they didn’t’ go after you either.

[...]

MM: The thing that the computer’s done is ruin it for people like me, all the old hacks, they went by the page – if you got four pages that was a thousand words, but you learnt to leave a space – you started the chapter half way down the page, ended it half way up the page, you learnt those tricks. There was a whole system. Also formula. You have to have a formula that’s absolutely strong enough to hold anything. That’s where people like me are very fortunate. I have a kind of innate sense of structure, which also makes me a good mimic.

HK: Like the Dr Who novel you’re working on?

MM: Well, that’s giving me trouble. It’s due June fifteenth. But it’s their own fault. They didn’t pay me anything until about April. I can’t work without a contract.



Kike Mike Morekike, 2005:

I'm doing a review of Martin Gilbert's Letters to Auntie thingy, 5,000 years of Jewish history, for The London Magazine.

I also have plans to write one [novel] called London, My Life, the story of the city-bound Jew—he's the opposite of the Wandering Jew who is forced to live in London from the time of the Celts on.



Kike Mike Morekike, LA Times, 2009

[LAT:] It makes perfect sense that, in "Behold the Man," there are only two people who could ever say that they belong to "the world to come and the world that is" and be completely truthful: a Messiah or a time-traveler. What was the origin of that story?

[Kike Mike Moorcock:] Sitting at my kitchen table around Easter time, discussing demagogues and how the public focuses on them, turns them into instruments of the common will. I came up with a number of examples, including Hitler. I come from an almost wholly secular background and have no quarrel with religion. I was very surprised that I got really good reviews from the Christian and Jewish press as well as the heavy U.K. weeklies and absolutely terrifying letters from American readers, mostly fundamentalists, who threatened to kill me. I grew up in a world which saw religion as having died out mostly in the 19th century, so I was very surprised when I first came to the U.S.! I have to live part of the year in Europe or I think I'd go crazy.



KIKE MIKE MOREKIKE ON DE LOLOCO$T:

A million betrayals

It took Michael Moorcock 25 years and 2,000 pages to map Europe's dark history in a comic epic about a wandering Jewish con-man.

By Michael Moorcock

The Telegraph, 15 Jan 2006

During the Second World War my grandmother, who was of Jewish ancestry, enjoyed winding up my Anglo-Saxon father. If the Germans won, she insisted, then all the Jews would be taken to camps; but if the British won, then obviously all the Anglo-Saxons would be arrested instead. Sitting across from my father in the air-raid shelter as the bombs thumped down outside, she would wag a mocking finger. "Better hope the Germans win, Arthur," she'd say. "Better hope the Germans win."

At that time my Uncle Jack worked for Churchill and lived in Downing Street. Whenever I visited him he would take me up the staircase to where a big portrait of Benjamin Disraeli hung and we'd stand looking at it together. "One day," he'd say, "your portrait might be hanging here, too." He was proud of our family's relationship to the great Tory through his father, Isaac D'Israeli. I grew up wondering if I would go into politics or journalism first. I disappointed Uncle Jack by taking a job with the Liberal Party's press office, yet none the less Disraeli remained my model for some years. When I met my first wife I was still considering trying to get experience by standing for some unwinnable seat. She felt cheated by my decision to become a novelist though I did base one of my first sf books on Coningsby.

A working journalist by the age of 16, I started my career in fiction earlier than most. By the mid-1970s I was riding pretty high. My books were selling well. I had won some prizes. I had a film out. Hawkwind, the prog-rock band I appeared with, had a platinum disc and we were playing major venues. I edited a magazine, New Worlds, which had received notoriety and praise. I was something of a hero of the counter-culture. I was the subject of TV programmes and my activities interested gossip columnists. Fame had come easily to me. The attention didn't do much for my character and ultimately led to the breakdown of my first marriage. I was disgustingly self-involved. By the mid-1970s, however, I began to realise that most of my old friends wanted little to do with me and I was worried about my unpaid dues. After repairing my friendships and completing the satirical Jerry Cornelius quartet set mostly in Notting Hill (which would win the Guardian Fiction Prize) I felt I needed to take on something demanding, that would be both substantial and serious.

The first book I ever bought myself was John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, and I grew up believing that a book should have at least one other implied narrative beyond its surface plot. As I had often insisted in New Worlds editorials, I thought that good escapism should confront real issues, and that confrontational fiction should always contain a fair amount of escapism, no matter how experimental the form. One reason I never wrote fantasy and sf under a pseudonym was because I thought it important to reunite popular and literary forms. That was why I had been attracted to visionary fiction in the first place, along with other writers of what came to be called the sf "new wave", because good sf so frequently dealt with moral issues.

Since the 1950s writers such as Dick, Sheckley, Aldiss and Ballard had engaged themselves less with futuristic invention than with problems of the present. After my teens I was not, however, a great reader of imaginative fiction. My main enthusiasm was for novels in what is generally called the European moral tradition. I was also a fan of Grimmelshausen's ironic picaresque Simplicissimus, and felt that my next ambitious project should somehow model itself on that book and deal with events of the 20th century leading up to the Nazi Holocaust. I had become dissatisfied with all the fiction at that time written about the Holocaust and wondered how best to tackle the subject in a way which would, as I saw it, properly honour the dead.

Though the Cornelius books had raised a number of serious questions, they were perhaps just a little too pyrotechnical, their points lost in the fun I had running riffs on popular fiction and contemporary obsessions. They offered a good technique, which I was to develop in shorter stories of the same kind, dealing with everything from apartheid to militant Islam, but they could not, I felt give due respect to the Holocaust's victims. Though a number of fine factual books had appeared, there was still very little fiction which satisfactorily explained for me how such a crime could have been committed. I became obsessed with finding explanations, but I still had no key to the method. So I started to sketch out an idea for a comic novel, which would touch on the subject, involving Jerry's terrible old mum, Honoria Cornelius, on a Zeppelin journey around the world of the 1930s.

In those days, I preferred to cross the Atlantic on Russian passenger ships sailing between Leningrad and New York. They took twice as long to reach America but you could get a huge stateroom for the cost of steerage on the QE2, and you met a more interesting class of passenger.

In 1976 I decided to make a road trip across the US from New York to San Francisco to celebrate the bicentennial of the American Revolution. I booked passage on the recently renamed SS Mikhail Lermontov. She carried the usual mix of seasoned travellers and, as usual, I was soon enjoying a glass or two of vodka in the bar. I found myself talking to some recent German immigrants who had made Wisconsin their home and were delighted that they had encountered no prejudice there. The Russians were always good company as long as you avoided talking politics, whereupon they would clam up and look shifty.

Ending that trip, as I had done before, I got up early one morning in order to see the Statue of Liberty when we sailed into New York harbour. The statue and the skyline still aroused strong sentimental feelings in me. The bar was filled mainly with Germans and Russians already in a celebratory mood. New York came in sight. One of the Germans raised his glass. "Aha!" he said. "Here we are in Synagogue City!" There was general laughter, a decided atmosphere of anti-Semitism. Instead of confronting it I quietly put down my drink and left. I had lacked the courage to object. And I knew I had betrayed something within myself as well as all the suffering millions of the recent past.

I had discovered how easy it was to betray not only one's principles but one's history - merely by avoiding minor social discomfort. It was that realisation which gave me the way of writing, over the next quarter of a century, the four novels which make up the Pyat sequence. Already familiar with Holocaust guilt, I now felt a more specific guilt. The Nazi holocaust had been permitted not just by cynical government decisions in London, Moscow, Paris and Washington, but by thousands, perhaps millions, of minor refusals to confront intolerance and to permit, even promote, prevailing prejudices.

By the time I returned to England I was planning the sequence which I called provisionally Between the Wars. Without any conscious imitation of Balzac, I had a habit of developing characters from book to book, often in entirely different settings. A minor character in a fantasy novel, for instance, might become a major character in a realistic story and vice versa. I did this mostly to carry certain themes from book to book. Colonel Pyatnitski, based on a neighbour of mine in Ladbroke Grove who collected mechanical junk and shared his hatred of Jews and Arabs, first appeared as one of Mrs Cornelius's lovers and seemed the ideal narrator. The story had to lack the pitfalls and portentousness of most other "Holocaust fiction" I had read. It had to confront the deep roots of prejudice. I had to get inside the mind of "the enemy".

Pyat could not just be my model for the victim. He also had to represent the perpetrator, the betrayer. He had to embody and speak for what I considered to be all the follies and distractions of humanity; he had to be the century's apologist as well as the target of its most infamous villainies and, of course, he had to be an entertainer, someone the reader could remain interested in, even identify with, for the length (as it turned out some 2,000 pages) needed to tell his story from 1900 to the near-present. I was inclined to agree with a former mother-in-law that, no matter how serious a book's intention, it wasn't worth reading unless it had some humour in it. Therefore, as I had done with Cornelius, where I found myself weeping over pictures of burning children yet only an hour later writing a comic scene about the "Vietnamisation" of Ladbroke Grove, I realised I could only contain my anger and grief by giving the story a strong element of grotesque comedy borrowed in part from my enthusiasm for the Commedia dell'arte.

So I've written a comic novel sequence about the inevitable road not, in this case, to Auschwitz but to Dachau. I chose Dachau because it was closest to Munich, where Nazism was born. Pyat the Jew, unreliable narrator, forever proclaiming his Slav soul, mourning the death of what he calls Christendom, constantly getting things wrong, wanders across a landscape of prejudice, illusion and delusion, from Odessa to Istanbul, from Rome to Paris, New York, Hollywood, Venice and Munich. He claims to be an Orthodox Christian, an engineer of genius, a film-star and a visionary who almost achieved victory for the Whites in the Russian Civil War, was forced into Ataturk's service in Constantinople, built a giant airship for the French, helped formulate race laws in the US, was enslaved in Egypt, built an airforce for the Caid of Marrakesh and by the final book is co-opted as an inventor by Mussolini and then the Nazis. The titles of the books form a couplet: Byzantium Endures The Laughter of Carthage; Jerusalem Commands The Vengeance of Rome, hopefully rooting the books in our ancient common history pointing to the road to Auschwitz. His distorted idealism, his belief in mechanistic salvation, leads him deeper and deeper into the heart of the nightmare, experiencing anti-Semitism in Turkey, the Ku Klux Klan in Dixie, racialism in Cairo and Marrakesh. A con-man in love with his own lies, Pyat is a small-time movie actor whose faith in his ability to invent monster airships, dynamite-driven cars and super-fast aeroplanes leads him to Mussolini's Rome, then to Hitler's Munich and finally to Franco's Barcelona. Caught up in the Spanish Civil War, he is mistakenly "repatriated" to London and the scenes of his ultimate and perhaps most contemptible betrayal in the 1960s. Meanwhile, he has enjoyed the confidence of some of history's other great opportunists and his engineering miracles have turned to nothing but wreckage.

Although I enjoyed flying in airships and seaplanes, for instance, the intensity and variety of the research more than once made me half-crazy. Entering the personality of a monster became so exhausting I took longer and longer breaks between novels. The bulk of my initial work was with survivors or personal, often naïve, accounts of ordinary people trapped in monumental events. Some survivors were unregenerate Nazis who had escaped Hitler after the Night of the Long Knives, some were Jews who had known persecution. I talked to Leah Feldmann, who worked on the education train organised by the much misrepresented Ukrainian anarchist Nestor Makhno and to my own benefactor, Ernst Jellinek, who immediately before the war ventured in and out of Germany and Austria "buying" Jews with money raised in England. I talked to people in Mississippi who had been Klan members, to ex-mercenaries working for El Glaoui in Morocco. I heard more stories than I could possibly use, many of them offered in confidence.

In the end it seemed to me that, with a few exceptions, all Christendom and Islam played a part in the betrayal of the victims. I could not exonerate those English and American Jews who might have said and done more but turned a blind eye to the fate of their people overseas. By the time the Second World War was under way, of course, there was far less that could be done to save the Jews of Eastern Europe when, under the cloak of war, the Nazis began to implement the Final Solution.

Could we have stopped the rise of Hitler? From all the newspapers and magazine articles I read, from the people I talked to and the accounts I absorbed, I am certain that we could, though I understand how sick and tired of struggling we all were. Did we learn anything from Nazism's rise and fall? I hope we did. My fear now, of course, is that we have not only forgotten that lesson but have, for ignoble, self-serving ends, consciously or unconsciously distorted the history of the Holocaust.

We must now cope realistically with the actions of Hamas, al-Qa'eda and others, as well as with the resurgence of anti-Jewish sentiment in America and Europe allowed by Israel's Palestinian policies. We must take pains to resist anti-Islamic prejudice wherever it occurs. It is a matter of considerable urgency that we seek means of resisting racialist delusions and prejudices and solving the problems that are created by them. If we don't, we may begin to witness worse crimes committed by certain world leaders, increasingly subscribing to a contemptible religiosity, for which, once again, we shall all bear some share of responsibility.

I have tried to demonstrate, through the comic antics of my Ukrainian Falstaff, that neither belligerent rhetoric and lachrymose sentimentality, nor nostalgia for vanished power will stop this happening but rather will add fuel to existing fires. By reproducing what is familiar to us, rather than taking intellectual and political risks, by dismissing liberal humanism or, if you like, traditional spiritual values, as an unrealistic basis for our actions, we could well create the conditions for another holocaust even more terrible than the last. [OY VEY!]



The Kike Morekike despises John Norman, and has campaigned to have bookstores make Norman's Tor books hard to find, on the grounds that they exalt male domination and the idea that women enjoy being beaten.

This is ironic, because Norman is actually more honestly kikish than Morekike is. Morekike is a kike infiltrator, and always has been, A subverter and perverter. He tries to "sweeten" his kikery with adventure and with the genre trappings of sci-fi and fantasy that he picked up from White writers, while at the same time ridiculing his models, and ll the time heading towards his ultimate destination: The Kike's holy LOLoco$t.

Norman, on the other hand (a Philosophy professor in Jew York), though not by inheritence a Kike, has always been blatantly and unapologetically kike (via The Kike's whores, Nietzsche and Darwin), by promoting and celebrating bondage, slavery and torture, by expressing and promoting contempt for the weak and the poor and the sick, and by exalting material power over everything else.

More of Kike Mike Morekike:

The Corporate Mofo Interview

Michael Moorcock on Politics, Punk, Tolkien, and Everything Else

by [Kike] Ken Mondschein, January 1, 2002

[...]

MM: I am a natural anarchist. I really don't believe in leaders, though I tend to see the point of parking meters. . . I was brought up to expect and enjoy a very large degree of liberty. I was brought up to respect people and to listen to their experience and ideas. I was brought up virtually without preconceptions. My grandmother and mother were fierce lovers of liberty and my whole family is rather "bolshy" in its attitudes. So I'm used to argument and like it.

[...]

It sounds like the rawest sentimentality, but I do just like people. I feel no need to escape from this world, have no social problems living in it, so I tend to use my fantasy writing as a method of confronting certain ideas, rather than avoiding them.

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I have always used the methods of escapist fiction to look at the modern world. That's what science fiction gave me. When I read my first real sf [science fiction] book (Tiger, Tiger/Stars My Destination by Bester) I saw that it was possible to write imaginative contemporary fiction which also incorporates ideas and ideals. For me that book was the great American novel. I read it in Paris, where I found it, and it has the best kind of American idealism—with that marvelous populist ending. Trust the people. It was the book which made me decide not to give up on contemporary science fiction.

But most of the best U.S. science fiction in those days very much addressed social issues and often brilliantly. Pohl and Kornbluth are the two most prominent. This was when American socialism was still alive, if not well, under Joe McCarthy. What rock-and-roll and science fiction offered the English reader was a voice from the real America, from the working class and politically engaged America we could see was already being buried. We responded to black blues and white social protest songs because we were desperate to hear the voices of the real Americans, not the horror of populist fascism, which seemed to have been brought home on the boots of returning soldiers. . . Sf and rock and roll meant a lot to us—not just as entertainment, either. It brought Americans in contact with Europeans—jazz was doing that, too--and producing the cultural template which would result in an explosion of talent on both sides of the Atlantic through the sixties. I've said this before—but Joe McCarthy, by sending the likes of Kubrick and Ramblin' Jack Elliott to England, did the world of the arts a power of good. That American influence came back a few years later as the British Invasion.

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For many years I wrote very little fantasy or genre, but mostly features or comic strips about Vikings or Romans!

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CM: You've already mentioned Brackett, Steerpike, Richard III, Byron, the Norse trickster god Loki, and Gothic literature as influences on the Chaos lord Arioch from the Elric series (in response to my earlier query about Milton's Satan being a possible inspiration for the character). More in general, what written works or personal experiences do you feel have been most influential on your own writing and personal philosophy? What are you reading right now?

MM: My influences are a mixture, like everyone's, and include movies and radio, of course. But Peake was probably the one writer who made me realize it was possible to do my own thing and use fantastic imagery at the same time.

[Peake painted grotesque war scenes, and then tried to convince the Department of War to use them as propaganda, by claiming they had been painted by a sadistic war-loving Adolf Hitler. They bought his paintings but apparently never ended up using them.]

G.B. Shaw was a big influence on me as a boy, as were Wells and Huxley.

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I liked Dworkin's Scapegoat, about the failure of Israeli men to incorporate their women allies into the system.

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I subscribe to a wonderful company called Persephone who specialize in reprinting modernist fiction by "forgotten" women writers.

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CM: More on the ideas and concepts found in your work: Since Plato, Western thought has cleaved to the idea that there is one true reality, and the world we live in is illusion-in other words, that there is knowable, transcendental, discernible Truth-with-a-capital-"T." (Of course, today, the shadows on the wall of the cave have been replaced with television and movie images designed by some of the most creative human minds, all directed to selling us worldly goods.) However, the concept of the "multiverse," of parallel, equally valid worlds-which I believe you first conceived of in the early '60s-goes distinctly against Platonic grain. How did you come upon this idea? And how does that idea, as well as other concepts found in your work, such as the balance of Law and Chaos, relate to the political and social climate you were involved with at the time?

MM: I think it has to do with experience. Growing up during the Blitz, you became used to seeing whole buildings and streets suddenly disappear. After the Blitz, new buildings and streets appeared. The world I knew was malleable, populated, violent and urgent. After the war, everything seemed dull and certainly the obsessions of most politicians and writers didn't bear much relevance to my experience. I had no particular worries about the Atomic Bomb (Brian Aldiss thinks it probably saved his life, since he was just getting ready to invade Japan when it happened. . . Of course, it would have been great if the young Aldiss had liberated the young Ballard from his prison compound.)

Our experience simply wasn't dealt with in modernist fiction. You got stories of how the war affected sensitive middle class people (Heat of the Day) but nothing which really described what it was like growing up with nothing else but war. My generation came out of those ruins. To be honest, the likes of Martin Amis and Ian McEwen, let alone the previous generation, didn't seem to be addressing my experience any better. I noticed in Amis, for instance, that when he wrote about Ladbroke Grove (the main spiritualcentre of the Cornelius stories) I was probably one of the 'denizens' he was afraid of, who lurked in the dark doorways he found so sinister.

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I grew up with a mother who was both highly supportive and loving and was a congenital liar on certain levels, very perceptive on others. I learned early on that the "truth" is malleable. It's what we make of it.

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CM: Elric's roots in Norse mythology brings to mind another writer who was influenced by Norse and Germanic mythology, J.R.R. Tolkien. As a result of Peter Jackson's upcoming movies, a whole lot of attention has been paid to Tolkien's work recently. Some are seeing The Lord of the Rings less as escapist fiction, and more as a "serious," quintessentially postmodern work that draws on a mythic past for a categorical rejection of modernity. In fact, some are even calling the Ring saga the "book of the century." I was wondering if you had any thoughts on the reasons for Tolkien's popularity, and your interpretation of what ways in which your views are in harmony or opposed to his.

MM: What I found lacking in Tolkien which I had found in, for instance, the Elder Edda, was a sense of tragedy, of reality, of mankind's impermanence. Tolkien really did set out to write a fairy tale and in my view that's exactly what he did—provide a perfect escape plan, which had the added attractions of having been written by an Oxford don. I knew and liked Tolkien who in a bufferish sort of way was very kind to me and encouraging. I looked forward to those books coming out. I was deeply disappointed by their lack of weight and their lack of ambitious language. They are about as likely to last as “the book of the century” as Ouida, Hall Caine or Marie Corelli, all of whom were judged the greatest writers of their day by a contemporary audience.

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Tolkien has the right elements of snobbery and escapism to make it a huge success. John Buchan for teenagers. A compendium of disguised bigotry and English high church snobbery. I hate it for exactly those qualities which made it so popular. It's a lullaby. Not sure we need lullabies at the moment. Unless we're all just going to give up, go to sleep and wake up dead. I really do feel contempt for Tolkien and a certain disgust for those adults who voted him writer of the century. This has nothing to do with why I decided to be a writer.

CM: What you said about Tolkien—"A compendium of disguised bigotry and English high church snobbery" put me in mind of Benjy at the end of Faulkner's "The Sound and the Fury," bawling his head off because the horse-cart was taking him on other than the accustomed route. Could one see "The Lord of the Rings" as the last gasp of the former order, crying out for the way things used to be? Similarly, can you see American conservatism as some sort of grasping at the myth of Norman Rockwell's America?

MM: I think the appeal of Lord of the Rings, like certain quasi-dystopian science fiction stories which clean the world of all complication, is the escape it offers from the industrialized world. Such work (including mine) sells very well in highly industrialized [Kike] societies but does not sell well at all in non-industrial [non-Kike] countries. The Gothic was a clear response to the Industrial Revolution and Tolkien is a clear response, in my view, to the post-Industrial Revolution. It has the same discomfort with cities, the same 'volkishness' you get in proto-Nazi stuff. It scares me a bit, but not that much because times have changed. It would have scared me more if it had been published the year it was conceived.

CM: You were born in London, but now make your home in Texas. Of course, there is now a Texan in the White House. Being a native-born Briton living where you do now, what's your perspective on the political mess in this country? Why do Americans tend to support a system and political parties that openly cater to large corporations, instead of human concerns such as socialized health care? Why are private and public morality, or the semblance thereof, such a pressing issue in American politics?

MM: I'm a political person. When we decided to move to the States I wanted to move somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon because that was where I perceived the real, on the ground, politics to be happening. It's post-LBJ America I'm interested in—watching the Civil Rights and Immigration legislation making the changes, creating the variety, creating the civil resistance, coming up with the strategies, making an America Tom Paine would perhaps be able to revive a little hope for.

I don't look to escape when I move (unless it's to nicer scenery) and can't help but become involved in the politics of the area I live in. After all, as a British residence I pay taxes but can't vote. The cry of the London mob for two hundred years before it became the cry of the American revolutionaries was "no taxation without representation." I see the American Revolution as a re-run of the British "Glorious Revolution" in which defeated Methodists (as it were) continued hoped to continue their reforms. The British Bill of Rights of 1689 is very similar indeed to the American and I find it very odd that American history seems, in modern versions, to have begun spontaneously in 1776.

This tendency to romanticize and sentimentalize history is common, of course, but has become somewhat institutionalized in America, even in some academic circles. It means that the political continuity, of which America is a part, is misunderstood. This is also the only country which commercialized all its [Kike-owned] radio waves and didn't leave anything for the public. PBS in this country is a lie. It is controlled by government, through grants, and by big business, through patronage. It is not controlled by the public by any form of licensing fee to fund public airwaves (as in pretty much every other advanced democracy in the world).

America has always been in the hands of violent and ruthless entrepreneurs. There would have been no "War of 1812" without the land-hungry Madison and Jackson to fake it and the general treatment of Indians, while continuing the tricks and hypocrisies and cruelties of the original Dutch, English and French colonists, is a terrible indictment for a country which alleges it founded itself on ideals of liberty. The rhetoric, of course, is what makes the American who uses it evidently provincial and poorly educated. You can hear Bush attempting public speaking without the otiose cliches and its almost impossible for him to speak at all.

The words of American politicians in the world in general are empty of content and understanding. Americans are incredibly badly served by their representatives and too many Americans seem to think of their representatives as patrons. The authoritarianism in the political language is astonishing to a modern ear. So I might sometimes despair of this huge country's inadequate and unsophisticated bureaucracies and follies, but every so often the clouds part and I see the same vision Tom Paine saw—the same possibilities remain. All is not lost!

I have no representative. Therefore I make it my business wherever possible to represent myself. They ain't getting those fucking taxes without me having a say in how they spend them. This means I remain political. I'm involved in local politics around water rights and social reform, I'm involved in State politics with reference to Alcoa and some of Dirty George's other get-rich-quick-and-fuck-the-people schemes. I'm involved in national politics to the extent that I write articles and letters concerning U.S. politics and join organizations designed to ameliorate or reform U.S. social institutions. I'm still involved with British politics. I was involved with the Women's Shelter movement from the very beginning and still send money to the original Chiswick Shelter, which was the first modern women's shelter. I have been a keen supporter of Womankind Worldwide since it began (an outfit that puts the power—like the water purifiers and donkey engines—into the hands of the women, who will conserve, preserve and prosper whereas the men and boys would swap it for an AK-47 tomorrow).

My wife is hugely effective both as a fund-raiser and as a planner in our local Family Crisis Center, which is regarded by Federal agencies as one of the very best and as a result it now receives good funding and is a model to others. I'm very proud of what she's achieved. I've been involved in racial politics since I was a teenager and helped get the U.K. Race Relations Act through. Now that the E.U. has incorporated the Universal Declaration of Human Rights into its legal system, there is now far better machinery in place for solid social reform. If I had time I'd work for that to be incorporated into U.S. law as well, but the U.S. argues it already has a system.

That's the wonderful excuse of American big business. We already have a good system. It was a good system for its day. it is now a pretty awful system,. Canada and Australia, among other countries, have learned from the US experience and got themselves superior constitutions. The only problem is that the American version seems to work a lot better for the rich than the poor. That isn't a Christian system, whatever else it is. America sometimes seems to me to be more Old Testament than New and a lot of the Jews seem more New Testament than Old.

Liberal humanism—what young Americans believe is "socialism." I grew up in a British version of socialism and it was very good to experience. We have to understand that certain public services actually are better provided by and for the community rather than by and for private enterprise. Americans used to understand this. I know because I've seen the movies and my friends used to talk like that.

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The American Giant is capable of doing a lot of good for itself and the world. It needs to drop the self-esteem and the rhetoric, however, and start responding to reality. So far the world's perception is of a selfish, greedy giant that merely spouts Disney sentiments while stealing your cow.

CM: You moved here from the U.K., but you're hugely critical of the U.S. Why? Is it that you see this country as the place on the dyke where you have to stick your finger in, lest all the world be flooded?

For instance, you wrote: "When we decided to move to the States I wanted to move somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon because that was where I perceived the real, on the ground, politics to be happening." Of course, the Civil Rights movement was one big example of this. More in my own experience, I'm an editor for the nation's largest school book publisher. (To wit, I'm working on the sixth-grade world history book.) One of our biggest concerns is your adopted home state of Texas, which is a huge market—yes, we write the books "to the market," and no, it wasn't my idea, I'm a 26-year-old junior editor. However, we have to take into account all sorts of insanity, such as the Holy Rollers dictating that we can't talk about evolution. How do you see what's going on in Texas as paradigmaic of the rest of nation? Also, how can American education be saved? Any thoughts on what Neitzche called "The Use and Abuse of History?"

MM: I'm hugely critical of any country I'm paying taxes in. It's as simple as that. It's my privilege and I'm paying for it. I like Americans and I like the town I live in. I am disgusted by how badly served Americans are by their shoddy [KIKE] political system.

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I felt that some Brit [KIKE] had to come over and carry on the work Tom Paine started. . . That could be why I'm starting in Texas!

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Since Europe sent America all her religious loonies, we have generally very little religious bigotry in the mainstream and you have a lot!

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I believe that Americans are far too responsive to bigotry and there should be a lot more people out there telling the bigots that they are fools. I disapprove of modifying schoolbooks to suit bigots. Many years ago I wrote to the chairman of the Race Relations Board, who also happened to be the boss of Collins, who did a lot of educational books. They had a World History that was selling world-wide which essentially described the Japanese as little yellow devils with no respect for individual human life and soft-pedaled disgustingly on South Africa (a major market). I wrote to him and asked why as chairman of the RRB he was allowing such books to be sold. He wrote back and told me that they sold millions and hadn't had any complaints. . . Something I'm sure you're used to.

I don't intend to live in America permanently much longer (maybe six months to a year). I really am becoming tired of a culture which actively celebrates philistinism. That would be my serious criticism of this country. Intellectuals are marginalized, put into compounds virtually, and have no real function in their society. European life incorporates its intellectuals more cheerfully. But the BBC and any other large broadcasting company that is not controlled by State or private enterprise is the chief base of British civil society and the National Health service is the other. If you are not afraid of losing your health insurance, you can become a bolder citizen. Americans aren't very bold as citizens. They complain and express shock at the lack of humanity of corporations. They feel sorry for the children of politicians as if those children weren't used to the life. They defer to authority which has not been earned as readily as they defer to fame for its own sake. They start [KIKE] wars they can't finish. They make laws that can't, in any rational way, ever be implemented. This isn't an active democracy. I think it will be again soon, though.

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CM: As you mentioned, another preoccupation in America is race. I've noticed that there is a certain reoccurring theme of the wise black man in your works, such as the ebony-hued wizards sleeping under the volcano in "Stormbringer" or the protagonists in "Breakfast in the Ruins." Does race have a certain symbolism to you, or am I reading too much into this?

MM: The reason I made Hawkmoon German was because of the levels of anti-Germanism in England at the time I wrote it. The Pyat novels, only two of which have been published in the U.S., deal specifically with the elements which allowed the Nazi holocaust. There is no question that I deliberately made black people authority figures, but they were based on authority figures from my own world—Americans have no understanding, I think, how important and popular Paul Robeson was in post-war Europe—and most of my early American heroes were black—whether mythic like John Henry or actual like Muddy Waters. So I tend instinctively to see black men and women in general as having more authority (not more power, but more authority) than white men.

I had little experience of white men as such growing up [in Ladbroke Grove, London] and feel sorry for those as did. When my friend next door's father came back from the War, the noise level went up, everything became unpleasant. Apart from my amiable uncles, who weren't given to barking or swaggering about (my [KIKE] granny would have seen to that), he was the only adult male I'd seen on a daily basis! My guardian, Ernst Jellinek, was a converted Jew (Rudolf Steiner's Cosmic Christianity from which, I suspect, a lot more of my imagery and notions of The Higher Worlds comes from) who went in and out of Germany and Austria "buying" Jews from the Nazis and helping others escape, often at threat to his own liberty and life. Until well into the seventies I was meeting people whose lives he'd helped save. So I have a rather fine model to live up to. If the Pyat books are done for one person, they are done for him.

Racial injustice has a lot to do with what I write. See Nomad of the Time Streams for a simpler version of the dialectic! Both the current Elric book and the final Pyat book, which I'm writing on and off. At the same time, address issues of racism.

CM: By an amazing coincidence, I'm Jewish. Of course, you also have to remember that most liberal Jews are college-educated and have roots in the liberal Northeast.

MM: My mother was Jewish, my guardian was Jewish (and helped Jews get out of Germany and Austria -- he was Austrian). I remember Rabbi Blue, who had been a child in Auschwitz, recounting how a group of rabbis in Auschwitz had put God on trial and found him wanting which proves, he said, that Jews care more for justice than they do for religion.

If it wasn't for her Jews, America would be a pretty awful place, all in all! A passing point—I'm at the holocaust period in Pyat now and have huge amounts of popular stuff from the thirties—mostly German, English and American. The German and American are far more anti-Semitic in an unconscious, enculturated way than the English. Cromwell, as you know, invited the Jews back, so we tended to get some pretty nifty Jews (Isaac Disraeli and his son Benjamin, who became Victoria's favorite prime minister) and there just isn't the undercurrent of anti-Semiticism in popular magazines and papers of the day—indeed, there is a philo-semitic cast which was clearly attempting to offset the anti-semetic rhetoric of the fascists. Far fewer racist jokes in UK publications than, say, the original Life Magazine (U.S.—not the photo-magazine but the Punch-style first incarnation). I'm rather proud of this, though of course even the pro-Jewish stuff has a tendency to talk of us as "them"—the Jewish Question. One thing I have learned is that it became a matter of habit to describe Jewish victims of the Nazis not as Jewish but as artists, doctors, lawyers, intellectuals—this wasn't denying that they were Jewish, it was an attempt to get understanding and sympathy without characterizing them as specific minority. It looks like denial, these days, but I know it wasn't. It was an attempt to counter the Nazi propaganda and any appeal it had in the UK. Philip Wylie, that great fierce critic of the US, pointed out that anti-Semiticism was everywhere in the air in Washington during the thirties and he attacks the U.S. for not taking a firmer stand against it. But racism is endemic to an imperial power bent on taking over a large area of land from the original occupants. It goes hand in hand, as I tried to show in The Warlord of the Air.

I think American education is in the process of being saved by the people who know best how to save it! That's what I mean about wanting to be around as it's happening. Once the problem is recognized, people turn up to start solving it. Economically, neither Britain nor America can afford to turn away skilled immigrants and they have to get their own populations better educated. They are realizing that a passive market (poorly educated people educated to self-esteem without meaning) doesn't supply the active intelligence you need to survive in the IT age! I meet bright American kids all the time. The fact that they are black, Chinese and Jewish mostly hasn't yet sunk in, it seems, to my WASP niece, who is confidently expecting the life of privilege WASPS have enjoyed in the US from the beginning. It is changing importantly and the WASP is becoming a minority. Also it is become an under-educated, self-esteeming minority. . .

That's what I mean about Civil Rights and Immigration—the demographics are also changing the ambitions and generally improving the goals! Just heard, a bit late, that John Hartford died. Cancer. 63. Bummer. American conservatism doesn't bother me. American bigotry does. The fact that bigotry is now called "conservatism" is more to do with the corruption and traduction of the language than anything else, I think! I'm probably something of a conservative myself, in that I like to preserve and celebrate stuff from the past, and oddly my literary work tends to appeal to conservatives—liberal conservatives, if you like.

CM: So much for race; now for sex. I've read your excellent interview with [KIKE] Andrea Dworkin, which presents her as a reasonable and articulate, if undeniably left-of-mainstream, thinker. Yet, few bother to examine her reasoning in depth. I have attended academic conferences where one of the attendees was selling a book severely criticizing Dworkin, using her as a straw woman to rail against the supposed excesses of the feminist movement, and complete with a caricature portraying her as a man-hating Gorgon. Do you have an opinion on why so many are so hostile to her ideas?

MM: Men seem to be in constant terror of someone getting at their private parts. I've never understood it. As I've said before, if men had to muster the kind of courage the average woman has to muster on an average evening, they would all be strutting around like heroes. So full of themselves.

Dworkin receives a degree less ferocity in England but honest I can't work out the primitive nature of American sexuality.It baffles me. It's a kind of materialistic consumer version of the real thing. And it is a construct defended to the death. It is so deeply enculturated (mostly, I'd guess from incoming peasants--seriously wrong invitation that, Mr. Lincoln—send us your trailer trash is what he told Europe. . . ) that I find it almost impossible to address here.

Americans are fucked up. They always were. It's something Europeans know. But I'm not the best person to judge, really. For some reason, I grew up with very few sexual hang-ups. My work in Cornelius, for instance, is just the way I look at the world. Most of what I learn about sexuality makes me laugh, if I'm not horrified. I thought the sexual liberation of the sixties was nonsense. It was simply an excuse for everyone to enjoy their own brand of fetishism or to get girls to sew your jeans for free. When I saw what they'd been repressing, I was all for repressing it again! Jesus Christ! And then there's the Washington suits who come up to you leering and asking how they can get some of that "free sex" you're having. . .

I'm a natural old hippy, I think. I really do believe in peace, love and understanding. It's what I like best. Dworkin, for me, is simply applying the logic of sophisticated feminism to the problems she sees. She scares women because she says things that are true but which they don't feel they can afford to think about. She scares men because they seem to be scared of women, anyway. See—it comes down to the gynaephobia she thinks is there. I think it is, though I don't think it's simple or that I have much hope of understanding it.

We are entering a period of history where women are gaining much more real power, both financial and otherwise. I've seen enormous changes, but they don't all come at once, or happen to everyone at the same time. People didn't come to America because they wanted change. They came here because they hoped that things would be the same only better. It makes for a very conservative, deeply orthodox population, carrying mores and ideas from pre-humanist cultures. Increasingly that population is coming from countries with no humanist tradition to speak of—Eastern Europe and the Orient—and while the smart kids are absorbing that and thinking stuff out for themselves as well, the dumber kids and their parents are still very reluctant to initiate change. This is probably a specific problem for America.

Although Europe has the racial tensions and similar problems, it is not a place which has traditionally depended on attracting cheap labor from abroad, as America has. And that's what Lincoln was asking for, to fill up the frontier and secure the nation. Fastest, cheapest, dirtiest way of doing it. Canada didn't have the same concerns (being part of a larger Empire) and therefore had less urgency about its dealings with, for instance, the indigenous population. Civil Rights has done wonders for the Iroquois, among others. You don't get "the white man done us wrong" stuff any more. You get Huron Computer Solutions.

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Dworkin attacks the status quo. Men in suits have most to gain from maintaining the status quo.

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I'm still convinced the Teutonic expansion hasn't stopped. It just changed names.

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CM: While I've never lived through a war, I've studied karate and classical fencing for years (partially as an exercise in self- improvement; partially for romantic reasons) and I know that, ultimately, power is better constrained than freely exercised. (For a related reason, I think Americans will never understand schlager mensur as practiced in German fraternities. We're such a win-win culture that the idea of such an activity as testing rather than competition is utterly alien.)

MM: I agree with you entirely about fencing. Fencing is the only sport I thoroughly enjoy and for that reason. A sport where it's up to you to acknowledge a hit, for instance, and where politeness is a necessary element can't be bad for the character. Have a look about what I said about swords in The Dreamthief's Daughter, although to be honest I haven't much time for schlager mensur stuff, either. It's mainly butchery in real life.

America has always been known for its aggressive competitive nature. It has something to do, I suspect, with the amounts of adrenalin needed to maintain early frontiers! Also the first merchants were certainly pretty aggressive. It's not an unknown quality in Europe, of course, but it is a kulak quality typically. I can't speak for the whole of America but I know for sure that I am living in a kulak culture in Texas--rich peasants, not middle-class urbanites—even if they live in cities. Much of America has a kulak quality to me—that's what I identify it as, thinking of Ukraine, Bavaria and other places where the wealthy peasant is really the dominant cultural determiner. And, of course, America was populated by kulaks or would-be kulaks who think of politicians as patrons rather than representatives. . . It reminds me a lot of Russia. You often get a sense that you have stepped back into the 19th century, where issues of “blood” and so forth are still alive. The strong sense of nostalgia the European often gets from America would probably surprise most Americans. But it is often like stepping back in time.

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Kropotkin, rather than Marx, seems to have a better idea more suitable for America. There are some thirty women in the current Blair cabinet. When there are some thirty women in the US cabinet, some progress will have been made. That's the cabinet, not parliament. There are a lot more in parliament. There are also Indian, black and other 'minorities' represented by MPS and you don't have to cultivate a rich person to get elected. That's the core problem with American politics. Nowhere else in the world do I know of such a shambolic system. It won't be changed without some sort of fight, because it suits the white men in suits who dominate the US congress. Men in suits are still powerful in the world, but check out the makeup of the German or Italian parliaments. Just the comparisons show that America is neither the leader in democracy nor in the fight against racism and sexism. A sense of shame is lacking since Vietnam. It needs to be revived. But the problems are being identified. It's a matter of time and hard work before they're fixed. But Americans will fix 'em and I'll be there to help, if asked.

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To be honest, I feel happier in New York with Jewish friends. Both Linda and I are fierce arguers. My mother loved her. All Jewish mothers love her. I swore I wasn't going to marry a Jewish girl—and here she is, sneaking in with an Irish name, a Baptist background, and a Mississippi accent. What's a poor guy to do? Oh, yes, she also gives you two ties for your birthday and when you wear one asks “So you didn't like the other one ?” I am so guilty, I told a shrink during a brief go at that, I feel the holocaust was my fault, and it started before I was born. That could be why I'm also popular with Catholics

Like almost every Londoner I ever knew, I had a fundamentally secular upbringing. I didn't really know anyone who had had a repressive religious background or any sort of religious background beyond a vague tendency to want to get married and buried in church, until I got Catholic friends. All my Jewish friends were from traditional socialist backgrounds. All the emigres at our house weren't religious, but tended to be left socialists. You would feel embarrassed if anyone mentioned religion and Dr. Strangelove was the first many of us knew of the way Americans call on God as some sort of personal authority. I did say, since living here, that Americans are the only modern Christian nation I know where Jesus is used as an authority rather than an example.

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I've written for Hawkwind, The Deep Fix and Blue Oyster Cult. Done some session work, notably on the Calvert albums Lucky Leif and the Longships and Hype. I used to be in demand for banjo work—I was the only Brit who could play five-string that anyone knew.

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I'm musical. My own stuff tends to be more melodic than Hawkwind but even less commercial ("Another Quiet Day in Auschwitz" somehow never made it even to the indie charts. . . )

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If you look at lyrics like "Kings of Speed," "Sonic Attack" and "Needle Gun" (all mine), you see more in common with punk than peace and love. Our lyrics weren't that dissimilar. And Hawkwind, don't forget, refused to play the media game very much as the Pistols refused. We didn't have the pleasure of telling Bill Grundy he was a miserable old hack, but we might have done, more reasonably. John L. and some of the others were far more interested in power, however, than we were. Glen wasn't. He got a raw deal from Lydon, but he was the real base of the Pistols and without him they would have been very little.

When Linda and I went to the gigs of punk friends in the eighties, people with Mohicans [Mohawks—ed] and black finger nails would ask us if we wanted a chair or if they could get us a cup of tea. I did a documentary about a punk revival in, I think, 1982 because I was told I was the only person who Siouxsie would agree to be interviewed by.

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About the interviewee: Michael Moorcock is one of the most prolific and progressive writers working today.



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PHARRELL DROP LOGIC LIKE ITZ HOT

PUNCH A COP, U GON GIT SHOT

Pharrell Williams: Why Aren’t We Talking About Michael Brown’s ‘Bullyish’ Behavior?

The award-winning songwriter gave his thoughts on the unrest in Ferguson in the weeks after police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown.

By Breanna Edwards, The Root, Nov. 25 2014

Grammy Award-winning producer Pharrell Williams has previously gotten flak for his comments on race, such as when he told Oprah that “the new black doesn’t blame other races for our issues.” But that didn’t stop the singer-songwriter from voicing his thoughts about Michael Brown several weeks ago, although he said he didn’t want to “get ... in trouble.”

In an extensive interview with Ebony, the star wondered why there wasn’t more discussion about why Michael Brown exhibited the behavior he did in the convenience store, which Williams described as “bullyish.”

“It looked very bullyish; that in itself I had a problem with,” Williams said, referring to released surveillance video that allegedly shows Brown forcefully stealing cigarillos from a store shortly before he was fatally shot by Officer Darren Wilson. “Not with the kid, but with whatever happened in his life for him to arrive at a place where that behavior is OK. Why aren’t we talking about that?"

However, he did say that Wilson should have been held accountable for shooting Brown. “I believe that [the] Ferguson officer should be punished and serve time. He used excessive force on a human being who was merely a child. He was a baby, man. The boy was walking in the middle of the street when the police supposedly told him to ‘get the f--k on the sidewalk,’” Williams told Ebony. “If you don’t listen to that, after just having pushed a storeowner, you’re asking for trouble. But you’re not asking to be killed. Some of these youth feel hunted and preyed upon, and that’s why that officer needs to be punished.

The songwriter lamented the fact that President Barack Obama himself has not made an appearance in Ferguson.

I felt like the president should have gone down there. I think sending Attorney General Eric Holder was a kind gesture, but the president should have gone. He didn’t have to go and take a side; all he needed to do was show his presence and everybody would have straightened up. But he didn’t go. I won’t fault him. He’s a man with a lot of weight on his shoulders, but I personally would have gone because being a ‘man of the people’ means you’re right there with them in it,” Williams said, citing the examples of Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi.

GENTLE GIANT'S FAMBLY B'Z SPEECHIFYIN'

A MASTER CLASS IN NEGRO LOGIC

CBS NEWS

Michael Brown's parents are expressing their frustration after Officer Darren Wilson spoke out about having a "clear conscience".

"His conscience is clear? How could your conscience be clear after killing somebody even if it was an accidental death?" mother Lesley McSpadden said Wednesday in an emotional interview on "CBS This Morning."

Wilson spoke to ABC News' George Stephanopoulos on Tuesday, saying, "I know I did my job right." In the interview, Wilson said he feared for his life as he tried to defend himself against the 18-year-old, who was allegedly throwing punches at him while Wilson was inside his police vehicle. The altercation then shifted outside the vehicle, where Wilson said Brown charged at him after initially running away. That's when the fatal shots were fired.

Still, McSpadden said she doesn't "believe a word" of Wilson's account.

"I know my son far too well. He would never do anything like that. He would never provoke anyone to do anything to him and he would never do anything to anybody."

McSpadden said her son does not have a history of violence.

While their lawyer Benjamin Crump agreed that physical evidence is irrefutable, he still questions Wilson's story.

Brown Sr. said that Wilson is "known for falsifying his reports," though he didn't elaborate.

McSpadden said that Wilson's response to the reported robbery in the convenience store should have been handled differently.

"If something happened in that store - and that's a big if - that could have been dealt with," she said.

Despite the evidence that has since been released to the public, McSpadden said Wilson's actions were not warranted.

"We couldn't even have our sons organs donated, you understand that?" she said. "They wrong, they know they wrong."

"Change, that's all we're asking for," Brown Sr. said.

E.U. vs KEY KIKE SPY AGENCY

Brussels (AFP) - The European Parliament voted overwhelmingly for the break-up of Google on Thursday in a largely symbolic vote that nevertheless cast another blow in the four-year standoff between Brussels and the US Internet giant.

In a direct challenge to Google, MEPs assembled in Strasbourg approved a resolution calling on the EU to consider ordering search engines to separate their commercial services from their businesses.

While Google is not directly mentioned in the proposal, the California-based search engine is clearly the target. The resolution passed with 384 in favour and only 174 votes against.

The European Parliament has no power to launch the break-up of Google, but the move, introduced by two senior lawmakers, is a further indication that the mood towards the company in Europe has soured.

Contacted by AFP, a spokesman for Google in Brussels said the company had no comment to make.

Google has become a lightning rod for critics in Europe on a broad range of issues from privacy to the protection of national publishers.

"We wanted to give a strong signal to the European Commission but also to US companies like Google and to citizens," said a Belgian MEP, the socialist Marc Tarabella.

Since 2010, Google has been under investigation by the European Commission in response to complaints that its search engine, the world's biggest, was squeezing out competitors in Europe.

Google and Brussels have also clashed over the so-called "right to be forgotten", in which the EU's top court ruled last year that people had a right to ask search engines to delete results involving them after a period of time.

In another attack on Google, on Wednesday EU privacy watchdogs issued guidelines calling on the company to apply the right to be forgotten rule to all search results.

For now, the ruling only applies to European domains, such as google.fr and google.de, and users can turn to other domains to find unmodified information.

The parliament debate comes as the commission, the EU's executive arm, begins a new five-year term, with former Luxembourg premier Jean-Claude Juncker at its helm.

The new competition commissioner, Denmark's Margrethe Vestager, has said she would look at the sensitive case carefully, but the resolution will be added pressure for her to move quickly.

French Digital Affairs Minister Axelle Lemaire said MEPs had sent a "strong message" and that it was now up to the EU to design the best way to tackle Internet giants.

EU nations "must ask themselves whether European regulation is strong enough to address abuse of dominant positions that can potentially become devastating," she said after talks with ministers in Brussels.

Weeks before stepping down, Commissioner Vestager's predecessor, Joaquin Almunia, sharply criticised the "irrational" response by European politicians to the Brussels investigation of Google.

Google and Almunia had made three attempts to resolve the dispute, but in each case intense pressure by national governments, Internet rivals and privacy advocates scuppered the effort.

In a statement Wednesday ahead of the vote, the US mission to the European Union said it had "noted with concern" the parliament resolution and urged that the case against Google "not be politicised".

Two years ago, US authorities dropped a similar case against Google, having failed to prove the search engine had abused its dominant market position.

JEW & ORANGUTAN

"Take a J and an O, blend them together and you’ve got..."



COMMENTS

"They couldn't just sell drinks, could they? No of course they couldn't, and for us to ask that of them would be to ask too much. These globalist jewish bastards can never leave anybody alone. No, they have to promote the ongoing niggerization of Ireland. Ireland 2060: Congo 2.0, complete with cannibalism, low IQ and witchcraft. These multikulti jew bastards want that to happen to Ireland too, just as it has already taken place in France and Britain. For the jews who are currently pushing for the genocide of the Irish people and of the white European race in Europe I have but one message: Tick Tock. You hear that, Kikes? That sound you hear is the clock ticking. Oh my."

WAR ARMIES DEBTS TAXES ARMIES DEBTS

Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

James Madison. "Political Observations", April 20, 1795

(James Madison, Letters and other Writings of James Madison, Volume IV, 1829–1836 (Philadelphia: J. B. Lippincott & Co.), 1865, pp. 491–92.

http://archive.org/stream/lettersandotherw04madiiala#page/490/mode/2up

OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY

OVER THE HILLS AND FAR AWAY



The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards

The lyric first published in Thomas D'Urfey's Pills to Purge Melancholy (1706)

Referencing:
  • The War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1714)
  • Queen Anne (1665-1714), r. 1702–1707, by the Grace of God, Queen of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, et cetera, and the Dominions and Territories thereunto belonging; r. 1707-1714, by the Grace of God, Queen of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, et cetera, and the Dominions and Territories thereunto belonging.
  • John Churchill (1650-1722), 1st Duke of Marlborough, Prince of Mindelheim, Prince of Mellenburg, Knight of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Privy Councilor, Commander-in-Chief of the Forces (1690-1691), Master-General of the Ordnance (1702-1712).
  • Henri de Massue (1648-1720), 2nd Marquis de Ruvigny, Earl of Galway and Privy Councilor (1697-1720).



Martyn Wyndham-Read

Hark now the drums beat up again
For all true soldier gentlemen,
Then let us list and march, I say,
Over the hills and far away.

Over the hills and o'er the main
To Flanders, Portugal and Spain,
Queen Anne commands and we'll obey,
Over the hills and far away.

All gentlemen that have a mind,
To serve the queen that's good and kind,
Come list and enter into pay,
Then over the hills and far away.

Over the hills and o'er the main
To Flanders, Portugal and Spain,
Queen Anne commands and we'll obey,
Over the hills and far away.

No more from sound of drum retreat,
While Marlborough and Galway beat
The French and Spaniards every day,
When over the hills and far away.

Over the hills and o'er the main
To Flanders, Portugal and Spain,
Queen Anne commands and we'll obey,
Over the hills and far away.



Adapted for:
  • The Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815)
  • King George III (1738-1820), r. 1760-1801, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain and France, King of Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Archtreasurer and Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire; r. 1760-1814, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg; r. 1801-1820, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith, Arch-treasurer and Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire; r. 1814-1820, King of Hanover.



John Tam

Here's forty shillings on the drum
For those who'll volunteer to come
To list and fight the foe today
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

When duty calls me I must go
To stand and face another foe
Parted we will always stray
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

Through smoke and fire and shot and shell
Unto the very walls of hell
We shall stand and we shall stay
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

Now though I travel far from Spain
A part of me shall still remain
For you are with me night and day
*And* over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

When evil stalks upon the land
I'll nyther hold nor stay me' hand
But fight to win a better day
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

If I should fall to rise no more
As many comrades did before
Then ask the fifes and drums to play
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

Let Kings and tyrants come and go
I'll stand ajudged by what I know
A soldier's life I'll ne'er gainsay
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

So fall in lads behind the drum
With Colours blazing like the sun
Along the road to come-what-may
Over the hills and far away

O'er the hills and o'er the main
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain
King George commands and we obey
Over the hills and far away

THE SWINGIN' SIXTIES



FERGIE SOLUTION

France should give those Russian helicopter-carriers to the Ferguson Liberation Army, as foreign aid, and then sell exocets to the Ferguson Police Department.

MEGA-CHIMPOUT in ZOGUSA

"FERGUSON IN FLAMES"

BUT WHAT DO THE CELEBRITIES HAVE TO SAY !?

I couldn't be bothered following this kikonegrotic nonsense in detail now (I'll probably just check out The Aftermath of the Chimpout, if things settle down in a day or two), but I find it amusing that The Kike Drudge's current homepage is so US Planet Uh Da Apesy right now. Of course no kike-link at that kike-site will mention the role of The Kike and the kikestream media in riling up the Negroes and dumbing-down Whitey

THE KIKE DRUDGE'S
KIKE-REPORT


CASE CLOSED: NO CHARGES...

Eyewitness told police Brown charged cop 'like football player head down'...

Prosecutor: Democrat...

Michael Brown's mother collapses outside station...

Stepfather changes his tune: 'BURN THIS BITCH DOWN'...

CHAOS...

Protesters overturn barricades, swarm courthouse...

Block traffic on Interstate...

PHOTOS: Smoldering wreckage...

Most Businesses Destroyed Minority Owned...

Cars vandalized, overturned... 

Ferguson mayor criticizes delayed deployment of National Guard...

STATE SENATOR: THIS IS RACE WAR...

Suburb Enlists Private Security Contractors...

Governor sends in more troops...

LIVE: STREET FEED...

LIVE: KMOX RADIO...

POLICE SCANNER UPDATES...

Store Robbed by Brown Looted...

VIDEO: WATCH CUOMO CRY; CNN CREW SWEPT UP IN GAS...

FOXNEWS Reporter In Ferguson Attacked...

MSNBC Anchor Chased Off Air By Gunfire...

Protestor has phone stolen -- while live-streaming...

Body Found Shot to Death, Set Fire...

SEASONS BEATINGS

Obama begs for calm as rioters set fires...

MAG: Split screen image may endure long after he leaves office...

REPORT: President Didn't Watch Prosecutor's Announcement...

JUAN WILLIAMS: Where is black leadership now?

SHARPTON SWOOPS IN...

Russian Official: Ferguson Highlights 'Serious Challenges To American Society, Stability'...

Protesters shut down CA freeway...

Three NYC bridges closed...

NYPD Commissioner Sprayed With Fake Blood...


PINK FAIRIES DO IT



Paul Rudolph: Guitar & Vocals
Mohammed Abdullah Twink Alder: Drums & Vocals
Duncan Sanderson: Bass
Russell Hunter: Drums


Ivor: There's a story about one of the UFO* gigs just after the Rolling Stones had been busted. Everyone cleared out of the club, to picket The News Of The World, and Tomorrow waited until 5am to perform their set.

Mohammed Abdullah: Yeah, that's right. And I think we had a lot of daffodils and stuff to throw out into the audience that night as well. And I also think that was the planting of the seed for "Revolution" on the album.

Ivor: When you were crawling through the audience shouting "Revolution" while Steve [Howe] played a heavy feedback riff on guitar?

Mohammed Abdullah: Yeah, it's amazing. And there were a lot of people going "NO! NO! NO!", and I was going "YES! YES! YES!"

[...]

Mohammed Abdullah: "I was really influenced by what The Living Theatre were doing. They were a theatre group which used a lot of audience participation -- very free and relaxed kind of shows. I remember them opening their act with the stage pitch black, and there'd be fifty people on stage, all with incense sticks held in their hands, and you'd just see all these little coloured dots, which they kept moving around for 10 minutes. For me it was great. I was really influenced by them. Dawn Of Magic was influenced by them, and some of that carried on into the Pink Fairies. A track called "Thor" consists of a vacuum cleaner just going backwards and forwards, with a guitar folded over backwards. If you listen carefully you can hear the hoover."

Mohammed Abdullah: There was something the other day, I heard one track by The Fall on The Tube, and what I heard was like something out of The UFO. It's all a bit dated, but I understand that the kids have got to draw their inspiration from somewhere, so that's where they're coming from, and they'll obviously go onto better things.

(Ivor Trueman, "Interview with Twink (Syd Barrett's bandmate in Stars)", Opel, #11, 1985.12.05)



* The UFO Club (pron. "Yoof-Oh"), formerly The Blarney Club, Gala Berkeley Cinema basement, 31 Tottenham Court Rd, 1966-1967.

"In the Roundhouse, the UFO, and the Middle Earth Club in London everyone seems to get it, and it’s as if we are all in on the same joke. Our music expresses the release, the dropping of old conventions, the newly found freedom – and to play old-style R&B in these places would be distinctly uncool."

(Andy Summers, One Train Later (autobiography))

UFO Club 1967 Tomorrow

UFO Club 1967 Arthur Brown

UFO Club Frank Zappa

Granny Takes A Trip Hapshash

Hapshash Middle Earth Tim Buckley Roy Harper

Hapshash Save The Earth Now

Albion Number 1 cover

FURY IN FERGUSON

Tree Ornaments

FURY IN FERGUSON

THE COMPLETE TRUE STORY!

By Daqueesha Goldstein-Menendez


Evil Hitler Worshipping Slave-o-caust Denying White Supremacist KKK Grand Wizard cop Darren McCrackerbastard spies Rosa Parks-Brown walking down the street on her way to do some unpaid charity work in the coonmutiny. She is heavy with child..a special child, a Christ Child. An UNARMED child.

Cattle are lowing an’ sheeyit.

Unfortunately no wise men were to be found in the area. However:

McCrackerbastard for no reason apart from hate and slavery ,orders unarmed black beauty Parks-Brown to “Get on the floor, NIGGER BITCH” and smacks her upside the head with the butt of his Luger 9mm pistol, spittin a stream of dirty tabbaccy juice over her prone, shapely body.

“But Sir, massa, I’s with chile! Have mercy” cries Rosa -Parks.

But mercy wasnt a word in McCrackerbastard’s vocabulary, and “mercy” turned out to be her last word...as the giant White cop’s shiny jackboot stomped down hard on the back of her skull, like in American History X.

McCrackerbastard pulled on some thin black leather gloves, like a NAZI in a film about NAZIS. “Lets see now, Im gonna have me a little fun”

He reached into his long black leather Nazi-style coat and pulled out a Nazi-style knife. He performed a brutal “street-Caesarean” (named after the King of The Apes in the Apes films) and ripped out the unarmed crying Christ-Child, who shall be called Swisher Sweet Georgia Brown, or Saint Micheal the Unarmed Martyr, or simply “Skittle Twin”

Some witnesses reported a ‘holy light’ emanating from the eyes of the unarmed Boy-Child, a light of Wisdom, Truth, Hope, and Change, that truly seemed otherworldly.
Others remarked that “his countenance was divine, an sheeyit”.

None of this mattered to Officer Nazi McCrackerbastard, who, in a rage, like those films of Hitler, raised himself up to his full height of almost seven feet, and roared:

”WHITE MEN CAN'T JUMP, EH? WELL NIGGERS CAN'T THUNK, AND HERE’S A SLAM DUNK!!!”

With that, he booted the unarmed infant, NFL-style, towards a nearby basketball court (there were five in the immediate vicinity), shooting the unarmed babe seventy times whilst it span in the air, and it went straight through a hoop on the far end of the court. The unarmed crowd, who were mostly of Person-Of-African-American-Coloured Ethnic Heritage, forgot themselves for a moment and applauded the incredible shot. They resumed booing and protesting (politely) once again as McCrackerbastard finished off Our Little Brown Lord and Saviour with a WW2 era Nazi flame-thrower, which he had retrieved from his non-issue Panzer tank.

“You stinking dirty pavement-apes and porch monkeys better get the fuck outta here REAL QUICK and keep your blue-gum nigger lips from flappin' if you know what's good for ya” ordered Officer McCrackerbastard, his eyes a demonic red, as he brandished the Nazi flame-thrower at the crowd.
(who were all office workers on their lunch-break).

McCrackerbastard later denied the above but was charged when his dash-cam footage revealed it to be ALL TRUE.

However, he was aquitted and promoted to Chief Of Police, with an annual $3 million so-called “dead-nigger bonus”.

The Persons-of-African-American-Coloured-Heritage Coonmutiny in Ferguson now live in fear, but continue their Silent Vigil.

“His unarmed flesh may be full of holes and all crispy, but his Eternal Unarmed Pure Spirit will inspire a striving for fairness and love and brotherhood and especially Hope and Change in all of our hearts”, said the Black Homosexual President of Racist, Homophobic, Anti-Semitic America, in a speech written for him by very wealthy JEWS.

Alapesha Muhdick, a coonmutiny leader from the Persons-Of-African-American-Colour and Heritage coonmutiny in Ferguson said this morning: "Not all White people are Evil Nazis. Just nearly all of them. We appeal for reflection, calm, forgiveness and not violent retribution or needless destruction.” He winked into the camera.

http://whatdoyoubelieve.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-2986.html#comment293

READ IT IN THE MAIL

BRITAIN TODAY!
READ ALL ABOUT IT!


The "Top Stories" headline-banner at the Daily Mail right now contains the following 6 photos and stories, summing up the "News" scene in Britain today (2014.11.25), according to the Mail:

Mail_Online_Top_Stories_2014_11_25

1. Photo of Kikess future queen Kate Middleton: "Kate's tears for a grieving mum : Pregnant Duchess throws her arms around mother after hearing of her baby's death" : Schmaltz, death, income disparity, compassionate woman.

2. Photo of geeky White guy + cop car : "Computer engineer, 19, admits 'sadistic, sexually motivated' murder of 14-year-old son of millionaire who he stabbed to death after meeting online while playing video games" : Perversion, cyber, violence, murder, death, income disparity, dangerous men. (And queerness?)

3. Photo of bug: "Retired headmaster finds 3cm long tongue-eating parasite in Morrisons sea bass dinner" : Grossness, parasites.

4. Photo of Nigger who murdered Lee Rigby: ""MI5 'could have STOPPED' Lee Rigby's killing if US internet companies had alerted authorities to 'graphic' online murder threats" : Cyber, violence, murder, incompetency (or conspiracy?), 'need' to control Internet, race, Negroes, "religious extremism", dangerous men.

5. Photo of White English Muslima wearing hijab: "Muslim pensioner, 80, 'arranged for sulphuric acid to be thrown into 19-year-old ex-girlfriend's face in revenge for break-up'": 'Sexism', Islam, violence, 'violence-against-women', race, Arabs/Pakis (?), "religious extremism", dangerous men, sexual weidness, White self-hatred, anti-Christianity.

6. Photo of naked White woman holding breasts: "How your breast size affects your mental health: Having uneven or bigger boobs lowers self-esteem and causes eating disorders, study finds" : Tits, mental disorders, 'womens' health', sex, "women-under-male-gaze" as in Silence of the Lamb's Hannibal Lector lecturing Clarissssse Starling about Buffalo Bill (or female self-obsessiveness?), jew-voodoo.

Perhaps the main common theme is danger/unease.

+ + +

More details about the Typical-Muz-Acid-In-Face-"Revenge"-Against-White-Woman story:

Vikki Horsman, 20, converted to Islam for pensioner Mohammed Rafiq

She met him in 2010 and started sexual relationship with him, court told

She chose to wear a headscarf and changed her name to Aleena Rafiq

But she ended relationship when he became 'too controlling', jury hears

Acid was thrown over her when she answered door at friend's house

Rafiq, Steven Holmes and Shannon Heaps [two White thugs - mercenary motive?] accused of inflicting GBH

Holmes, 25, threw the acid at Miss Horsman, court told

Miss Horsman tells court she had 'not particularly' wanted to convert

Describes 'burning' sensation as 'masked man threw acid at her' [Stating The Obvious]

[...]

an 'angry' Rafiq discovered a used condom in Miss Horsman's bedside drawer.

[...]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2848597/Muslim-pensioner-80-arranged-sulphuric-acid-thrown-19-year-old-ex-girlfriend-s-face-revenge-break-converted-Islam.html


Hier, l'été. Aujourd'hui, l'hiver.





« Hier, matin venu, voila, un sourire sur vôtre visage, le palais de César, la gloire de matin, race humaine idiot, sur un voilier, va nulle part, quitte aucune place, si l'été changer à l'hiver, le vôtre n'est pas une honte. »


Hauptsturmführer Henri Joseph Fenet
  • Un Ceyzériacois
  • Né le 11 juin 1919
  • Armée de terre : 3e division d'infanterie coloniale : Croix de guerre
  • Service d'Ordre Légionnaire
  • La Milice française
  • Franz.-SS-Freiwilligen-Sturmbrigade Nr. 8 : Obersturmführer : Eiserne Kreuz, II. Klasse
  • 33. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS « Charlemagne »
  • 1er bataillon du régiment de marche (I/RM) : Hauptsturmführer : Eiserne Kreuz, I. Klasse
  • Division SS-Nordland, « Bataillon Charlemagne » : Ritterkreuz
  • Condamné à vingt ans de travaux forcés
  • Mort le 14 septembre 2002

Delicate [ˈdelikit] (adj.) :



"KEEP YOUR HEAD"

ANTI-HOMELESS MEAN-SPIRITEDNESS

In my life I have met a very, very small number of people who are genuinely self-reliant, and even fewer people (all men, btw) who would seriously rather starve than accept charity.

Most people who go on about how "self-made" they are are just talking rubbish, or lying. Most have never experienced really hard times, and most have some family member to help them out.

I know a guy who described people living in subsidized housing as "parasites." He lived off his parents until he was almost 40. I know a woman who's not really mean-spirited but is very selfish and unsympathetic to other people's problems. Her parents are corrupt Chinese bureaucrats whose biggest problem is where to stash their illegal millions. I know a guy who has contempt for poor people, especially for homeless people, and boasts about how he is so self-reliant. The last time I met him he was bitching about how incompetent the tradespeople renovating his house are. I asked him why doesn't he just fire them and get someone else to do the work. He responded that he had no choice, because the local government has given him a grant worth tens of thousands to make his house more energy-efficient, but he has to use a labour agency that gives work and training to unemployed people and youths.

MOST of the people I've met who go on and on about how they've "never had to ask for a handout" have in fact lived off their parents well into adulthood, or are still doing so, and/or are getting some sort of corporate welfare, or some sort of stupid government handout based on their race or sex or immigrant status or supposed "artistic abilities", or for "research" into some rubbish nobody sane cares about, or some other such taxpayer-funded scam.

I came across this story about homeless people in Seattle perhaps getting Internet or Wi-Fi access. It seems to be a common sense public service.

I don't know if they are referring to camps of illegal immigrants, but assuming that's not the case, then it is good social policy to provide some sort of Internet access to homeless people, keeping in mind the context -- this is Seattle we are talking about. The municipal and state governments spend millions of dollars a year on all sorts of nonsense. Now they're debating spend "part" of $100,000 on this proposed Internet/Wi-Fi scheme.

"Part" is very vague. It could mean tens of thousands, or it could just mean a few hundred a month. And considering this is Seattle, computers, software and tech-support could be donated by the massive local computer and cyber-companies.

Nobody is going to "go homeless" just so they can get free Wi-Fi. There are very scummy homeless people, but I've found that most of the homeless I've met have had hard times and are not bad people. And most people who have no sympathy for them have also never even had to worry about being "one pay-cheque away from being homeless." They've also never experienced losing a job through no fault of one's own, and then not having any employment opportunities at all.

There are a lot of people who scam welfare resources. I've been unemployed and gone and got another job the same time. But I also know what it's like to go to apply for one low-pay job and get in line with hundreds of other applicants. I know what it's like to go to some employment office and be told straight out "we have nothing for you", and then to go from one business to another all day long and get repeatedly told that nobody's hiring.

I don't know the scale of the homeless problem in Seattle, and I am well-aware that government schemes always involve incompetence and corruption. But if there are decent homeless people in Seattle, struggling to find a job and a place to live, then $100,000 would be a drop in the bucket compared to most government spending (e,g., ugly public "art", $50,000 to attend some stupid convention in Hawaii or Las Vegas, $80,000 to hire someone to go to junior high schools to teach girls how to masturbate, $500 lunch bills for city councillors, etc.) and could easily be assisted by all the local tech companies who make such a fuss about raising millions to help Negroes in Africa, Muslims in Bangladesh, free lap tops for Mongolian queers, whatever.

It is offensive and politically stupid for a public official to say "It's just $100,000." However, I'm sure it's true that it's a relatively small amount by Seattle municipal government standards.

THE REAL ISSUE, which the Kike "reporter" distracts people from with sensationalism, is: WHY WOULD IT COST $100,000, and why have politicians and media tried to portray it as $100,000 being spent on free Wi-Fi? It should cost a few hundred a month, maximum, and then possibly a few thousand, or even ten thousand, to supply public access points for homeless people. So the real issue is no doubt that scummy cynical hypocritical Social-Justice-Warriors are using homelessness as an excuse to scam some money off of working people!

But most Merkuns are too stupid to see that. So instead they debate between the morally-diseased "Left" and the morally-diseased "Right".

This is just one of the problems caused by ignorance and lies about the humane and rational National Socialist alternative.

It's almost impossible to find work or a place to live or access essential services in urban America today without Internet access. Many or most places you go to will tell you to send applications via email, or go to some website, or contact them via Skype or Facebook, or leave your cell number so they can text you. Therefore, a well set-up and well-managed free Wi-Fi scheme would be a cheap and simple way of helping homeless people get off the streets.

I also realize that most people spend a lot of money on home Internet, or bounce back and forth between competing companies every few months, trying to take advantage of sign-up cheap plans. But a sensible Wi-Fi scheme over a city area, or a block, or however large these camps are, would be a cheap way of assisting multiple people, and could also be used by people who have homes but no Internet.

I'm usually considered very "conservative", and am opposed to all kinds of stupid make-work projects, and corporate welfare, and ridiculous government-spending scams. But everything should be evaluated in common sense and non-ideological terms.

I'm sure the Seattle city council is populated by scum. I'm not even going to bother looking up this Swant bitch. I'm sure she's an arrogant dykey fembot bolshie lowlife. And perhaps some of the critical commentators on the following article know something about the local government that makes them rightly skeptical, but I don't think so. I think most of them are just mean-spirited and stupid. Most of them are probably not from Seattle, and are not familiar with he local politics there.

Increasing American mean-spiritedness, however, is a side-effect of the constant disintegration of community standards, and the loss of any real sense of communal sharing and empathy, as fake charities proliferate and profit, causing wide-spread cynicism.

Social services work well in places like Japan and Taiwan, and used to work well in Scandinavia and most of Western Europe, because the people getting helped mostly belonged to the society, and therefore behaved responsibly, and had an interest in making sure that services (health care, education, pensions, unemployment insurance) were properly used and maintained, so that their children and grandchildren would not be stuck with unpayable public debts and be left without anywhere to turn to if they ever had trouble in life.

In principle, I don't have a problem with someone commenting, "there are free computers and internet already at libraries? I mean the homeless have ample time on their hands to go there." It's just that in my experience most people who talk like have lived most of their lives as pampered assholes.

Another thing is that most social services used to be taken care of by families and churches, but people in Seattle are now mostly atheist/confused/churchless, and have no extended families to turn to for help -- issues that neither lib fembots/eunuchs nor libertarian idiots are even interested in acknowledging, never mind even addressing.

And, just in case: IF THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT THE HOMELESS PEOPLE BEING DISCUSSED ARE ACTUALLY ILLEGALS, then THAT is what should be talked about, and not confused with the matter of supplying sensible and reasonable social services to down-on-their-luck citizens.

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Seattle City Council wants to fund internet in homeless camps

By [Kike] Lindsay Cohen, Nov 17, 2014. Updated: Nov 18, 2014

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The city of Seattle wants to spend part of a $100,000 budget item to provide internet access in the city's homeless encampments.

"We are no longer looking at internet as a luxury. We have to make sure we provide humane services for everybody," said Councilmember Kshama Sawant, who is supporting the proposal.

It is still unclear as to whether the money would go to establish Wi-Fi in the city's homeless camps or more traditional, computer-based internet service there, Sawant said.

"People who have unlimited access to all these services - including internet access - are not in the position to say that somebody else should not have it," she added. "Would you live without?"

The six-figure sum is part of an overall fund to help homeless encampments with a number of issues, city leaders said Monday. The proposed money would also go toward toilets, electricity, and improving cooking facilities, among other things.

"SHARE was delighted with it. Nickelsville was delighted with it, because it's actually for the physical things necessary to continue an encampment," said Scott Morrow with SHARE/WHEEL, a local homeless advocacy group. "This is the first time ever that the city of Seattle has supported the physical necessities of an encampment."

Morrow emphasized that hygiene and basic plumbing need to be higher priorities than internet access.

"If (the city) takes the port-a-potties away, that'd be a big problem," he said. "They're not spending the money on Wi-Fi if the port-a-potties aren't paid."

His concerns were echoed by Richard Gilbert, a six-year resident of Nickelsville, one of the city's homeless camps.

"We need the doors of opportunity to open. We need business companies and corporations to open that door up," said Gilbert. "The internet for some people is the answer, but I think more, better communication is (the type that is) one-on-one, face-to-face."

His neighbor, Kenneth Kahaloa, said that having access to the internet might help him find a job or even improve the camp overall. Kahaloa has been unemployed for five years.

"Most of us, we have computers. This way we could reach out to other people through the internet and ask them about what we need for donations," Kahaloa said. "Now... you can do everything over the internet - an application, your resume. And hopefully they give you a call."

The city council is expected to vote on this measure - and other budget items - next Monday.

"It's just $100,000," Sawant said. "Rather than over-focusing on this one thing, people should be jumping for joy that the city council has done the right thing for the first time towards transitional encampments by recognizing their existence."

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COMMENTS

Ahhh, hell. I am going to quit my job and join them! I didn't know there were so many perks ;) If I am about to get free internet.......then I can keep posting here! And I'll have FB, porn and all the internet has to offer! Yippee, I'm down! Not to mention free bus passes, food, etc.
Just WHY am I working now? To pay rent, utilities, food, gas, taxes? None of which Id' have to do there. I can't believe I never did this before!

You're joking of course. However, I do believe that one could live fairly comfortably here by doing just that.

Hey, I have a pretty nice tent....

I have a flask and a sleeping

We have lots of tarps too...

Hmmmm, what else is there really?
I have never made an urban camping supply list before. Food? do we need food at all or will that be supplied?

I bet the food is supplied, but I think we have some cots, a wind up radio and some solar cells for the computer.

I wonder if they supply the computers too...I do need a new one...

If they do supply computers they are probably like, last years models, life is so unfair. Oh and BTW I will for sure be bringing liquor, lots of it, any preference on that, I'm thinking Jack Daniels.....classic Americana.

Nah, just set up a still.

No way that sounds like too much work, I hate that!!!

Well, I bet you can talk someone else into looking after it for you for a cut...

No way again, I won't trust our fellow campers one bit, nope. I fancy myself more of a loner type hobo.

Darnit...I thought we could be friends...you know, you watch my stuff I'll watch yours...

Assuming that you are a female I will make an exception, can you make me one of those long stick things with a red bandana tied to it, for OUR stuff?

I'm pretty handy, I think I could manage...

We are all good then, just need to find that park in the article, looks nice:)

I could bring the chef. He travels quite well in the shopping cart, you know.

The rain makes me cold. I don't want to panhandle in the rain so I think there should be shelters at the on ramps so I can keep dry while I panhandle.

Thanks for all your offers! This sounds great and will probably work out ;) I still need a camping stove.......anyone? I have a decent cooler, but can someone bring me ice on a daily basis? How about a really nice down comforter? I have a smart phone, but wow, the connection here is poor. It looks like I will have free internet soon, so that will work out. Thanks, going to have a few drinks now. It's cold brrrrrr.

Ikea has great deals on comforters... we have a couple single burner camp stoves. I also have a little propane stove. Oh!!! and a propane heater!

Wow! Thank you! A heater even :) I am almost set.

You will have to wait until after Thanksgiving weekend though, my husband is going Elk hunting.

What???? I have to wait? Where are your priorities?

With the elk...sorry...

Husband? you didn't say anything about that before!!!!!!!

I know!!!!! You have a hubby?

Is that a problem? LOL

We will need to make some adjustments but it should be fine if you don't mind me seeing other hobo ladies.

Hobo "ladies"

I use the term loosely, wait, that didn't sound right. Oh yeah, loosely.

Not for me except he is going elk hunting and now i have to wait for free stuff ;) I don't know...............

Don't know what exactly? Are blue Jays edible BTW?

Even rats are edible... so I'm pretty sure they are...

"Sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie but wouldn't know cuz I'de never eat the filthy mother F%$&er" -- Name that film?

Pulp Fiction

Not bad.

Google is my friend...see how important internet is? LOL

It's inhumane for it to not be provided.

Ok, you all. Gotta got to bed so I can get up for work at 6. Yes, work......that thing we do to pay bills and taxes and such. Most of us anyway. I rather like my warm, cozy, small home.

I'm out as well, puppy needs to piddle I think...

Those darn puppies.......;)

Whatever.................it's so early.

I'm not alone in getting sick and tired of footing the bill for a bunch of homeless people who can't take care of themselves. My wife and I struggle every month to pay our bills and it's getting tougher and tougher to make ends meet. [Meaning they could easily end up homeless.] Why should we continue to subsidize the housing, food, Internet access, bus fares, etc., etc., of these people? IT'S NEVER-ENDING! We have trouble affording these things for ourselves and we each work over 40 hours a week. These Marxist losers are ruining Western Washington and the stupid hipsters and liberal dolts applaud their every move...

There are a lot of ways to help the homeless and honestly I think this is one of the craziest ones I have heard. #1 every McDonalds has free Wi-Fi along with many other fast food chains. You don't even have to go inside to use it in most instances. #2 All libraries have free use of computers #3 this type of thinking is probably why many of these people are homeless to begin with. Everyone these days think they have to update to the newest and best electronic equipment whether they can pay their mortgage or rent. I've seen this multiple times with the younger generation. We survived a lot of years without being able to contact anyone and everyone at the touch of a button. Education, training, personal care ability would be much more beneficial to these people than Wi-Fi. My rant for the day.

The article didn't say anything about also providing free computers to go with the free internet. What about that? And a better idea would be to have the people who want internet service and a computer do some useful work in return. Or is that suggestion offensive to Councilmember Sawant?

I want my own web site, to replace my cardboard sign. So I can accept payment by smart-phone apps. To buy my cigarettes, and mad-dog-20-20, and dog food, since all my food stamps won't cover any of them. It's only fair. Or should I say, I DEMAND both. isn't that the terminology now-a-days?

I am at the stage in life where it is normally a time where I could check out at any time. When you made the statement "I Demand both." It made me think of the time when I was very young and I remember my dad saying... remember the world doesn't owe you

Why can't they walk to the nearest library and get it there? I have seen a lot of homeless people actually using the central library to apply for jobs etc. That's the way to go! If they have their own device, they can also connect to free WiFi at any Starbucks downtown. Even Target has free WiFi and no one is gonna stop you from using it. What a waste of money!

Why can't they walk to Arizona, or southern California, or Texas, and live where it's warm? Live where the police threat them like royalty. Because, you know, they were "born here" and because they don't have an accent and because their skin is light. Somebody said the other day, they have all the time in the world, if they start walking now they'll get there, eventually. What's the big hurry?

This is what happens when you elect socialists to the city council. This is just one more step in the governments goal of creating a state of dependance.

The latest chapter in the "Clown Town Chronicles".

I have lived without when I could not afford it. Internet is a luxury. Not a necessity. These people have their iPads, smart phones, cigarettes and what not. They can use public wifi or go to their local library if they need to utilize internet access.

In all seriousness, this is a big slap in the face to those who are responsible, budget properly and teach their kids that one doesn't always get what they want, when they want it. It takes hard work to obtain the luxuries in life. This, give-me attitude is what is killing the morality of our society!

If they do get this free internet that is paid for by the taxpayers that actually work, the taxpayers should at least get something in return. There is graffiti that needs to be cleaned up, parks that need to be maintained, garbage picked up, etc. Make them earn it.

Organized tent encampments which have enabled people to survive have gone largely unsupported by the City. This funding of basic services which most of us take fore granted is welcome indeed.

Are you aware that there are free computers and internet already at libraries? I mean the homeless have ample time on their hands to go there.

What ever happened to the permanent Seattle homeless camp idea with all inclusive utilities/ facilities and a pharmacy? I remember a picture of an old industrial building the city wanted to renovate or convert.

The "homeless" burned it down.

http://www.seattle.gov/financedepartment/documents/BudgettwopagerApproved.pdf -- Seattle spent $285,000,000 on art and culture last year and half of that on human services. I think we could have one less sculpture and buy toilets and Wi-Fi for homeless camps.

How about the homeless get jobs, get off drugs, quit drinking, and buy their own Wi-Fi. We need to quit enabling them.

They don't even need wi-fi. My ( almost ) homeless brother just goes to the library every day.

Yeah because all homeless people are on drugs and drunk. There are over 4000 homeless in Seattle at any given time. Most of them are not on drugs or raging alcoholics. Those are probably the most visible homeless, but they are not the majority. I work with homeless kids every week and I used to work at adult shelters, you have no idea what you are talking about.

What you REALLY mean is, there are over 4,000 bums in Seattle at any given time. Bums. Call them what they really are.

Give me a break. It is easy for you to say those kinds of things on the internet behind a avatar. You are generalizing based on the actions less than 10% of homeless population. Keyboard warriors who offer no real solutions and just complain, are worthless.

"It is easy for you to say" Spoken like one of the bums. Bums. I'm calling you what you and all your buddies really are.

How many of those bums are veterans? Do we owe the veterans any thing?

"Do we owe the veterans any thing?" The absolute best thing we can do for veterans, is make sure they are able to find a good job. As long as America's economy is in the tank, as long as there are 20 million Americans who can't find a full time job, as long as there are 6 times more unemployed Americans than there are job openings, veterans and everybody else is going to suffer. End this Great Recession, now.

I would never have thought of Internet access as a humane service. Maybe clothing or food or shelter but not Internet access. I am ok with it, but if we are going to provide a city owned wi fi network for the camps, why not provide a city wide wifi network for everyone? There are over 70 cities in the US that are already doing this.

I'll have the veal cordon bleu, please.

If they have $100,000 to spend, and they are not buying tents, blankets and food; does this mean everybody had been taken care of? We now have space in the shelters with plenty of food and warm clothing?

I don't have internet access except at work (I'm on a break, thank you). I'm not homeless, own my own home but internet is a LUXURY I feel I can do without. I go to the public library where it's free anyway. What a huge waste of money. You gonna move it around everytime the camps move?

Free Wifi isn't the right approach.
Do like Utah, give them housing. Cost of housing, $11,000, Cost for homeless on street, medical $18,000. Cost for homeless on street, police and justice system, $30,000. Loss of business by retailers in our shopping core. You will save money. Address the problems. How many are Veterans with mental and substance problems? How many Mentally ill with substance and violent problems? How many are sick and dying?

I guess because I am old, I don't understand. If you are looking for employment, you can use the computers in Work Source. Again I say if you are not a druggie or an alcoholic there are jobs out there. Goodwill will give you clothes for an interview. They will also give you a chit for a haircut.

Even if they are a junkie or a drunk, Labor Ready will put them to work as long as they show up.

Ever wonder why you never see white people sitting by the curb at Lowes or Home Depot?

I see many white hispanics at the Lowe's and Home Depot parking lots. Hispanic/Latino is an ethnicity, not a race.

at least most of those sitting by the curb at those places are looking for work, not out to cause trouble in most cases.

"If you are looking for employment, you can use the computers in Work Source." Are there still any "Work Source" offices? I thought they all closed several years ago. Right at the start of the Great Recession, if I remember correctly. There used to be Work Source offices all around. I haven't seen one in a long time.

A few years ago I discovered I had a rodent problem in the attic of my house. I solved the problem in two ways. I found all the access points and blocked them off. I also found the food source, that was attracting the rodents, was a bird feeder that was dropping seeds all over the ground right next to one of the access points so I got ride of the food source. No more rodent problem.

Thanks Adolph...

Hate's the only thing that most of the posters in here have going in their lives...

I see you are one of the people that would be happy to take in a few homeless folks to live in your house.

I help homeless folks every day I work, in EMS. How bout you?

...and I've been doing it for thirty-four years....

I don't hate the homeless .. I help them also ... for almost 40 years now ... I think they need food and warmth rather than INTERNET............

well... how do you reconcile those, such as the poster above, that likens homeless people to rats, or the poster above who thinks homeless camps should be surrounded by barbed wire and guard dogs...? Or how about the dude above that doesn't see any hate going on in here?

Why not just grant them access to the public library? Oh that's right, they don't want those kind of people in there

They are already there, or at least they are at the downtown branch. It's one of the nicest homeless shelters in the world.

Sorry, I don't agree with this one bit. Many homeless have mental health issues and are homeless by choice. How about we spend some money on psych beds or helping the underinsured working poor? Free wifi can be found at libraries, or just sitting next to a building that has unsecured wifi (there are lots of them). How will these homeless get comps to use? Will the city provide them? One per camp? One per person? One per family? If they get free comps, I'd like to see stats on how many make it through the first week before they are stolen and/or pawned. Is their internet usage going to be monitored or blocked from certain websites? Giving them wifi doesn't mean they'll use it to find a job. I would bet it would be more for looking at porn or any number of websites that have nothing to do with looking for a job. I don't have a lot of experience with the homeless, but I have some and some of them make more per day panhandling than I will ever make. One "homeless" person I knew was a convicted felon who did time for stabbing a guy in a bar fight. After prison, he lived with his girlfriend in an apartment that was in her name and he would bring home $300+ cash PER DAY by panhandling for about 4 hours on an off ramp on 167. He didn't report it (duh!) to the IRS and was on welfare to boot. Free shelter, free money, free medical/dental and lots of money to spend on "entertainment" (drinking and drugs).

people are such idiots giving them cash which they spend on drugs and alcohol. Give food, blankets, maybe some books on how to pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

This makes no sense as the local Worksource offices have computers and access to the internet for free to job seekers. If the city wants to help and spend money it should be on basic needs of the homeless camps and promoting the building of more low income housing.

Internet a right? I work two jobs and don't have internet because I can't afford it. why can't they use the library like everyone else who can't afford it? Maybe I should quit my jobs and not pay taxes and let t he city support me? Oh wait.... I don't do that because I have integrity. I work for the things I want.

Didn't read comments but how does a homeless person own a laptop or smart phone to use this wonderful new access?

When I first heard that a councilman was proposing this, I had no doubt it was that crazy ass Kshama Sawant! Who the hell does she think she is? So basically having wi fi is more of a priority than having a home? And yet, we have roads that desperately need to be fix and God knows whatever else that cost money, like our failing tunnel project, and we're supposed to have money in the city's budget for this crap? I really would recommend our council to go in for some mental evaluations. Just when I would've thought they couldn't come up with anything more stupid and ridiculous!

These pieces of crap need to be rounded up and put to good use in a labor camp. Homeless and hungry? Guess you should've tried harder in school? Want internet? Get off your ass and get a job you worthless sack of crap.......

Maybe he had a job and a robot is doing it now.

The internet like driving is A PRIVILEGE not a right nor necessity. And lets take a trip back in time shall we - If the city cut funding to Urban Rest Stop then they sure as hell don't need to be paying for free wifi.

I would consider sanitation, food and water as human resources. The city is so far out on a ledge I think its time to think about leaving.

I don't know what's worse, the fact that the council wants to turn these camps into permanent shanty towns or the fact that they think this is progress. "People who have unlimited access to all these services - including internet access - are not in the position to say that somebody else should not have it," she added. "Would you live without?" Yes I would live without it if I couldn't afford it. It's called budgeting. If I shut off my internet will Sawant come hook up my free internet or do I have to squat in a park and quit working in order to qualify? I have an idea, instead of turning these illegal camps into villages, spend that money on resume writing, interviewing and basic job skills training. There are lots of jobs in Seattle and anyone who says they can't find one is lying. Anyone who disagrees with me go ahead and say you can't find a job and I'll reply with a link to one probably within minutes. Why do socialists encourage laziness and the thought that making someone comfortable rather than teaching them to better themselves is morally superior?

I completely agree that Internet access is and should be considered as critical to modern life as sewer and water service is - and our ISP monopolies are begging to be broken up 100x as much "Ma Bell" (to those who remember) was. There is NO question that having Internet access would help the homeless find work more effectively and, as tax payers, you probably couldn't spend "smarter" money. BUT, spend it wisely. Considering the limited financial resources allocated to the homeless, why can't we string a standard Comcast connection into each homeless camp, install a wi-fi router (and give those without wi-fi free ethernet cables into the routers)? No, bandwidth sharing will not enable every homeless camp inhabitant to watch their endless fill of Netflix 18 hours a day, BUT 100 people can EASILY share the bandwidth necessary to search for and pursue work opportunities with virtually no encumbrances.

Where does this $100k number come from? What is the service provided? Sounds like either Comcast (or another ISP) is taking the city for an eagerly anticipated Sawant-joyride for gold-plated high-bandwidth connection to every individual, or the city doesn't know the abc's of basic IT and Internet access.

If you think rewarding bums with free WiFI is a good idea, then feel free to pool your money with the radical idiot councilwoman and fund it yourself.

OK, so they have nothing, and you propose giving them nothing - including Internet access which is, HANDS DOWN, the most expedient vehicle to give the homeless access to REAL jobs. Great strategy, Einstein. I suppose you would also object to VOLUNTEER programs designed to give the homeless (through donations) a decent set of clean cloths (crap you and I both said goodbye to years ago) because YOU have an axe to grind - apparently all homeless are bums. So what is your axe? Not only should we deprive the homeless of cheap, low-bandwidth but reasonable Internet access AND we should make sure they wear the dirty, filthy clothes they wear day to day? - Should we also have them trail in their impoverished, hungry, X number of children into the door when they apply? You, Sir, are CLUELESS. It's people like you who give brain dead politicians like Sawat supporters the will to live. And I say that as a relative Conservative.

I'm relatively conservative, and I have a comfortable 6-figure salary, and I have spent evenings of service and meeting people in one of our homeless camps and hearing their stories. Have you? I'm damn frickin serious. What have you done? Where do you derive your impressions? What are you doing to solve the problem?

Lets start up theold CCC jobs that will give these homeless people jobs and pride at doing a job instead of sitting around for 6 YEARS with out working . And then expecting the workers in this city to pay for their internet acess that they can get at the library for FREE already. But I suppose they have such a busy schedule they have not time to visit the library

Well, you got me there. When you wrote CCC, I was thinking "Civilian Corp..." Some relic from the 1950's - but I couldn't pin your acronym. So, failing that, please explain this to me: Why would you oppose (as I proposed) running a single line Comcast line (about $75/mo.) into each homeless camp (of which there are less than a dozen), and giving each "resident" a connection from there, which costs essentially NOTHING. With such a connection, any resident (probably up to 50 or 100 residents) has ALL the bandwidth they need to peruse Craigslist and job boards, and submit their resumes. As a taxpayer, I challenge you to propose how ~$75/mo. could be better spent. (Note: my $75/mo. is FAR less than the $100k/yr. being proposed - or are you too hung up on your own "values" and ideology that you just think the unemployed should somehow be punished????)

...but... but... GLOBAL WARMING! Seriously... there is a faction of homeless that truly needs help. and these moron that say "Don't give them anything!" are the same ones who are mute when a homeless person ends up in the ER and then it's up to the taxpayers to foot the bill...

"Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face: See 'Republican Party'"

Um, have you spent time with the homeless lately? Seriously dude. 50% of our population is ONE paycheck away from being homeless, uninsured, and in poverty.

Google is your friend !!!!! Civilian Conservation Corps - Wikipedia, the free ... Had you just googled CCC No punishment necessary they already have free internet at the library no problem for them they have the time to go to the library do they not?

Well, Einstein, perhaps you could use some remedial reading. I knew the CCC as the Civilian Conservation Corps, but also knew that that was something that died about the time my grandfather did.

To wit, the first sentence of the Wikipedia (great source! really), states "The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) was a public work relief program that operated from 1933 to 1942" You'll note the PAST tense ("was") as of 1942. Thanks for playing. I'm moving on to other pursuits. I'm sorry your opinions are not informed by modern realities. And, for the record - I'm ALL FOR expecting people on the dole to do something - as the CCC did VERY well - for what they are given. A good portion of our nation's deep infrastructure was built by the CCC. I'm ALL for that philosophy.
BUT, YOU - do to your own ideological hangups - would not accept the solution I proposed, which would have cost 1/10 as much - because OF YOUR HANGUPS. You ARE pat the problem. You have no solutions.

Kshama Sawant is a nut case. I hate politicians who rant on their platforms to get elected, then think that any socialistic ideas they can think of, can be paid for from other peoples pockets. She's a deplorable, sorry excuse for a city council member; But, hey, Seattle, YOU voted for her, so pay for her crazy ideas.

I have nothing against having the internet available to the homeless, but we taxpayers are already paying for computers and access in the library system. Providing internet access IN the homeless camps, doesn't give the homeless access to the hardware needed to use it.

For starters I just found a homeless lady (who was being harrassed by local young men)a tiny little rental and my friend from another agency funded it for 6 months until she could get on her feet. My friends and I gathered up necessities for her, she is very grateful and trying to see what she can do to get her life together. She does have some mental issues but is not a druggie or drunk....I work with these kind of people more than you can know....I was also a corrections officer at one time and I have a very good eye and ear for picking the truth out of their stories. Jobs.....our government needs to stop outsourcing and bring in jobs that these people can do and a lot of them will work....there are those that will never work and will sit with their hands out.

I guess internet is now considered a "necessity"? ... before other basics like food, shelter, electricity, etc. Silly me, I always thought of it as a luxury.

"It's just $100,000," Sawant said."
Great point. Now why don't you take it out of the multimillions that you married your way into, and stop trying to steal it from other people, you filthy thief.

Just how does a halfwit like her get elected ? She claims she is a champion of the workers yet here she is going to steal more tax money from the WORKERS to fund a bunch of lazy do nothings . Are you kidding me this is so stupid it should be on the comedy channel . The workers in this city have to pay for the cleanup after these people they dump their trash in the woods next to their camps and their human waste flows into our creeks that we paid to clean up for the salmon . Yet not you want more money for their free internet . SAWANT sell some Microsoft stock and fund your stupid ideas with your own money . And then shut up and grow up

Bring back the CCC. At least we'd get something for our money...

Good idea. My dad was a CCC guy, had some great death defying road building adventures and he loved it. How many of the tent city folks do you think would sign up?

Not one.

My Dad was as well, and one of the most honest hard working men you would ever want to know. In later years when the mill was on strike he wouldn't even sign up for food stamps. He had something called self pride.

I no longer want to PAY for my internet service. Since "We have to make sure we provide humane services for everybody", how do I get my internet bill paid?........ (besides moving into a tent city and quitting my job)

I think my Internet should be free as well....but I suppose there would be an extra tax because I have a job and a roof over my head.

I believe that an important part of being a community is providing safety nets for those that have fallin on hard times. But part of the deal should be a requirement that they are making an active effort to find employment and improve their situation. Not just go on living on the freebies. Every month they should have to show proof of who they tried to get employment with or who they were working for or that they are in school trying to improve their chances to get employed or better employed. But just living cheap or free with tax payer help with no end in sight, should not be an option.

Yeah, when I was on unemployment, I needed to prove where I'd looked for work, etc. I even took a few weeks off when my father had cancer and was honest about not job searching at that time. They nailed me with a bill.

Well, Spike the Pioneer Square horse junkie needed that cash for fresh needles, syringes, and junk.....and some hot pockets.

Hot pockets! LOL!

I'd be happy with them just passing a drug test! Lets just start there.

Herideaisto give everyone everything. No matter if they work or not .

Two words FREE PORN

Not doing the jobs that Americans should do.

"People who have unlimited access to all these services - including internet access - are not in the position to say that somebody else should not have it," so says nutjob Kshama Sawant. 1. if I have to pay for my internet access, it's not "unlimited". Dummy. 2. I'll be damned if I'm "not in the position" to weigh in, if I'm being asked to help fund it. Dummy.

If they have the money to pay for it, what's keeping them from buying an Aircard from Verizon for their internet access? Since according to this article, they already have laptops and phones.

go to the library...it's not like their daily calendar is chock full.....

Yep. Before I could afford a computer, I'd go to the library to use theirs. And that was when I couldn't afford a cell phone or long distance service either, so I'd use the library's courtesy phone to call my family (out of state) collect, then they'd reject the call and call me right back at that number. :) Guess what. I got an education and progressively better jobs, and was eventually able to afford my own computer, internet service and cell phone.

Well, the homeless population of Eugene,Or is probably decreasing by the day..I mean, Greyhound to Seattle is cheap.

Utah is actually doing just that, I think a couple other communities are as well.

"Now... you can do everything over the internet - an application, your resume. And hopefully they give you a call." Says the homeless guy with no phone.

If they need internet, then they can go to a public library. Why make it so there is no need to get a job? Take that $100,000 and use it for education towards a job if anything.

Cool. Now the homeless won't have to go to the library to view porn.

If that's your proclivity, then good for you.

" Kahaloa has been unemployed for five years." -- "His concerns were echoed by Richard Gilbert, a six-year resident of Nickelsville, one of the city's homeless camps." -- just a couple of regular Joes down on their luck for five or six years...I don't know what to do, puke or quit my job and join the freeloaders.

I would say that these two freeloaders could have free internet and free transportation to any job they would find and I bet they would still be looking as they will never work again as long as suckers like us give them their needs for free .

phhht, so they want to buy computers too?

" "Would you live without?" - well, if I couldn't afford it I suppose I would. what the eff are they thinking?

the library has free internet for everyone - bums, taxpayers, etc...

That's the heart of socialism, taking from hard working individuals and giving it to those unwilling to get off their butts !!

And we wonder why illegal immigrants get jobs so fast and set up their families and homes faster than local Americans....:-)

I suppose next they will want to provide the homeless with free dope as well .

Now the commies are gonna give them free dope.

""We are no longer looking at internet as a luxury. We have to make sure we provide humane services for everybody," said Councilmember Kshama Sawant, who is supporting the proposal. " - ok, cool. so when can I cancel my bills and let the city take over? give me a freakin break. where does this madness stop?

Huh? no home but they have computers/smart phones? Last I heard libraries are available

One wonders why Seattle has a homeless problem. I will repeat my rule on homelessness. Any effort to decrease homelessness will result in more homelessness.

You know, they probably get thirsty while engaged in their on-line meanderings. Perhaps a beer truck or a Cannabis Cab could ease their busy schedule. Coupla cats always between Pike and Pine on Second Avenue lurking in the doorways at rush hour with either a crack pipe or an Olde English 800 who seem to be ambulatory and domcilely-challenged.

I'm very soon not to be even in Washington State due to this ridiculousness. Making active steps to get out.

We need to upgrade their cell-phones as well. Nothing less than an i6 or Galaxy's coupled with 4G data plans will do. Why is everyone such a hater?

Correction: Unlimited 4G data

I think it would help them also if we give them free cars. That way they can get around easier now that Metro eliminated the downtown Seattle Free Zone. Then I think I'll become homeless......

News flash, Taz. They still ride free.

Can we not just get them I phone 6 Plus that way they will be able to see the phone better

That's just crazy talk. What next? A personal valet?

BuT, they will need lessons! Let's give them free lessons!

A butler as well. Jeeves For Junkies!

Could you imagine living without your smartphone? No? Then why should the homeless live without them!

I also can't imagine living without my nice new car. Guess a new car should be on the list for all the homeless too.

I've never heard of such lunacy. The money should be spent on food or medicine. Take care of the children first. How do they have computers? The library has free computer and internet service, actually paid for by you-know-who, the taxpayers. They can get their free bus rides there to "apply for jobs", or sleep, which ever comes first. You know they just want it in the encampment so they can surf for porn at home. Unbelievable if anybody actually falls for this.

I guess a Labor Ready kiosk is out of the question.

Next thing you know they will want a free latte from Starbucks. Wait, that's right an EBT card will already get you a drink at Starbucks in a Safeway. Free internet and free Starbucks who is the sucker here?

"Most of us, we have computers. This way we could reach out to other people through the internet and ask them about what we need for donations," Kahaloa said. "DONATIONS???" How about you get a frigging job. If you have been out of work for 5 years, you haven't been looking for a job.

Living in camp for 6 years and he want us to give him the internet as well Give the money to dogs and cats they deserve it more

This is a circle-jerk of stupidity.

"The root evil is that government is engaged in activities in which it has no legitimate business. ... The only way to curtail spending substantially, is to eliminate the programs on which excess spending is consumed."

I want someone to pay for my internet, should I go without?

WTF? use the damn Library..... jeeze this is insane

No kidding. When I had no internet that is what I had to do. Completely ridiculous.

Unreal.

nope with these idiots....pretty real

This made me kind of mad, I mean I pay for my internet, its not unlimited, I have to work and pay monthly to keep using it, why do they make it sound as if the rest of us just get it for nothing? Oh and I have lived without it when I was broke for a few years, had to go to the library to send resume's out

Why can't they use that money to get them jobs? Oh wait we tried that long back with our lodge. Not one person wanted a job. Yes it was 0% response.

You mean actually solve the problem? That's not the democrat way. Why get them out of poverty when you can ENCOURAGE it and make it more pleasant?

We treated them to dinner at the University Church and tried to help each of them with resumes etc. Instead we got a long lecture from each of them as to why they didn't feel the need to serve the corporate evil empire. To add to it, one of the volunteers cars was broken into while he was cooking for them. :-) We did this for about six months and then decided to just continue the food drive. The job drive was unsuccessful.

It used to be if you wanted something, you got one of them there J-O-Bs. Now, if you're one of the 37.2% of Americans who don't work, you just demand that one of the 62.8% who do buy you one. It's only fair.

The heck with the 1%. I'm part of the 62%. Kick out the illegals, and tell the rest of them to get off their ###es and WORK.

Satwat .... the gift that just keeps on giving .... LOL ..... what a twit

Seattle deserves her.

I'm not sure I would wish her on my worst enemy. However, Seattle did vote her in so I guess they're getting what they wanted.

I said if Seattle voted for the socialist community college professor they'd regret it.....she's definitely certifiable and not in the real world. Then she goes home to the East side and her Microsoft husband.

in the future, you Noble Anti-Socialism Patriot, we expect you to fix your own d**n potholes, and no complaining while doing so...

Funny you should mention potholes, as I just fixed 4 of them on the county road I live off of.

free cable/hbo and i'm moving in...

Next we'll hear that they have been given a couple of limos, on site masseuses, and free dinners at the Metropolitan Grill.

Only $100,000...... and they want to waste it on a bunch of drug addicts and drunks so they can check their facebook accounts. Utterly ridiculous.

I have to pay for my internet. Are the homeless going to chip-in and help pay for their internet? They already get free access at the library. Why should it be handed to them for free? They have money. They get SS/disability checks. They get free food, medical, clothes, bus tickets, panhandling brings in $150 a day tax free. "Charity is injurious unless it helps the recipient to become independent of it." Handing them something for free doesn't help them, it hurts them. Make the work for it. Make the pay for it. Working and paying for things gives one self-respect and dignity.

homelessness is so attractive, everybody's doing it. Oh the outrage...

No, not everyone. Nevertheless, it is a well-known secret that those that engage in The Homeless Lifestyle are attracted by Seattle's most generous welcoming committee.

My brother has been jobless and homeless (due to a combination of drug problems and mental illness) for years while in Virginia. He saved all the money he had to buy a bus ticket to come to the Pacific Northwest because the lore of it being a homeless paradise had reached as far as Richmond, VA. He made it out here, attracted by all the stories he had heard of all the free stuff he would get here. They are actually flocking to Seattle and Portland because the quality of "homeless living" is higher here than anywhere else, apparently. He stayed with me for a few weeks while trying to find his place, but I had to kick him out when (surprise) he went on a drug-fueled rage and stole a bunch of stuff from my house (the house that I own. And the stuff that I paid for).

Tyr being homeless for a month, you mean-spirited peeps! THEN you can talk like you know what would help, having had been there. Spoiled rotten brats is what you all sound like.

Did that...it sucked. Decided that I would rather have a crappy low-paying job over sleeping in my car. ...but hey, if I stayed on the streets, I might get rewarded with free internet.

Same here. Homeless one season and ended up sanding floors and painting an apt to have somewhere to live rent free for 3 months. It's called WORK and one can barter. Where there's a will there's truly a way. I was handed NOT one dang thing for free. Besides, I have pride and skills. You teach people how to fish not give them the fish. Crissakes!

yeah every story in these forums is true at face value... LOL...

No, for some people your statement fits. For a lot of others (and I volunteer with someone who is chronically homeless) the complaint is legit. What's next? Wait staff taking their lunch order each day? The homeless are not a single monolithic block. Some are street alcoholics, some are heroin addicts, some were one paycheck away from being homeless and are working toward getting out of it, some are trying to get past having to have their kids living in a car as soon as possible, some had to flee domestic violence, some are mentally ill and have no place to go. But City Hall here tries to pass them off as pets and make sure Seattle draws them from far and wide. There won't be the resources to help them much as Seattle gets more and more on the circuit.

It's not mean spirited ... it's being tired of paying for lazy people's bad decisions and stubboness to learn in the workplace and being willing to work your way up. This is the problem with your whole argument... we've sacrificed, paid the price, and worked hard to be where we're at. You're not entitled. Wise up.

yep. summary execution for being homeless. right on, scoondog, you the man...

Hey thanks tufa, but frankly I have no interest in being "the man". I just want a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. And I really don't want to pay someone else some of that money who hasn't earned it on his or her own. Is there something wrong with that? You must be one of the one's I'm talking about who won't suck it up and be a contributor in the workplace.

If actually working at a job (sometimes two) and not choosing to be a druggie or drunk makes me a "spoiled rotten brat" -- then guilty as charged.

don't get riff'd and lose your job.... and your house.... and your savings... and your health insurance...

I don't make excuses -- I make choices. I don't play "victim", I play "in charge of my own life". I have lost jobs, I have been broke. Instead of blaming everyone else and getting high and watching tv all day, I put on my big girl panties and went and looked for another job.

Um... let me make things clear for you: Good: Working, not a junkie, not a drunk, earn what I get and don't expect a handout. Bad: Choosing to not work, choosing alcohol and drugs over other things and then expecting everyone else to pick up your tab. If you choose to be an idiot and make bad decisions, you have no right to play victim because you did it to yourself.

Sorry slave...I don't need to "try out" being homeless to have an opinion. The idea of being homeless and being without is all the drive I need to continue to work hard and make my own way.

Great, give them one more reason to stay homeless...

Everyone should have access to Netflix,YouTube and porn.

yes but enough about you. Do you not suppose that homeless people who are looking to turn their lives around might not benefit from having internet access?

Yes. They call it the Seattle Public Library.

yet people like you would like to see that opportunity end. And how do you suppose homeless people are to even get to the library?

Walk.

name one charitable thing you've done in your entire life...

I'm sorry, you have no argument here. I was not that long ago without a job or internet. I went to either: A. The library B. The Work Source center (unemployment office). FREE use of computers and FREE job counseling! People can walk, bus if they don't have a car, but many of them have some type of transportation. They manage to get their stuff to these encampments. If not, they get bus passes and often free bus passes.

were you homeless too?

NO, I was not, but almost. I advertised for a roommate and got myself a psycho. I had to evict her. Then, I ended up with a great person who is still here. My POINT is, that there are ways to get a lot of help if you want it and truly want to work and move on. After all, my crazy, first roommate managed to get food stamps, meals from the food bank, extended UI benefits, transportation, but couldn't manage a job. The one she had when she moved in, she was fired from for missing work......go figure. She could never manage to pay me rent, but payed for a pack of smokes and at least a six pack everyday. She moved back to Michigan and STILL got bennys from WA state!

Who the heII keeps giving them handouts??

"Who the heII keeps giving them handouts??" churches, for one. danged christians, anyway....

Charity is one thing. Knock yerself out. Taking money out of the pockets of the citizenry at gun-point and giving it to the Employment Challenged is another.

The downtown branch of the Seattle Public Library is the world's largest homeless shelter.

And that building only cost what? Five million dollars or something?

Is this a joke? WTF.

GOOD FOR GOD


Good For God

Harry Nilsson, 1975

"Our Father, who art in Heaven ... eh ..."

The other day a friend of mine said, he said, that God's not even with us. He said that God is really dead. He said, "Oh pal, a fact's a fact! You can't believe that magic act!"

I said "I don't," and that was that.

Now I say, "Good for God! Good for God! He goes and makes the planet blue, and all the thanks he gets from you is, 'Look at all the poo-poo in the yard!' Good for God! That fella's life is very hard He knows each time a sparrow falls. Believe me, the answer always calls. Good for God! Good for God! I bet he's got a very hard job. I'm awfully glad I'm here to say He made it possible for me to be here to say 'Good for God!' -- Good for God! Good Lord! Good God Almighty! He got no mama! He got no papa! Good for God!"

Now the other day, another friend of mine said, he said, "The sun is going yellow. and pretty soon we'll all be dead!"

I said, "My friend ,what do you mean? You must be living in a museum, and things are never what they seem. Good for God! Good for God!"

Now if Truth is Truth, it's easy to know the Truth -- now that's the truth, so help me God! Good for God!

Good for God! Good for God! He's got a hard job. And before they put me in the hole, I pray to God I'll find a big loop-hole. I say, "Good for me, and good for God!"

Say, "Good for God!" ("Through Jesus Christ! Amen!") The man drove the little girls wild. ("Why'd he do that!?) You know it's all right, He's on our side. It must be looking good for us, you know what I mean? We should do the same for Him. It's okay, that's why they call him 'God', you know what I mean?

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